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Good articleMal Evans has been listed as one of the Music good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
March 3, 2007Good article nomineeListed
November 19, 2009Good article reassessmentKept
On this day...A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on May 27, 2018.
Current status: Good article

Photo[edit]

I have no idea where this photo came from, other than a tag accompanying it saying it is from 1968. It may be licensed, I really don't know. There aren't a lot of photos of Mal Evans out there (except for dark and blurry shots of him standing behind The Beatles).-ZincOrbie 13:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Start to B[edit]

I am working on this at the moment, and hope it will go from Start to B, and then to GA. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 18:53, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

B-class[edit]

I have changed this article to B-Class, as I believe it warrants it. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 18:09, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Work[edit]

I know the article looks a little bit less than perfect, but it is getting better - honest... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 18:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A mess[edit]

It is a bit of a mess at the moment, but I am putting in everything (and there's not a lot) about Mal before polishing. Please edit when you can. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 20:18, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Poor old Mal - being sent out to buy socks for Lennon. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 14:28, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of stuff is going in there now, but it has to be sorted. No news about Mal's school though... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 16:29, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Repetition[edit]

Hi Andreasegde, good work on the article so far. However, I've noticed that the first paragraph is just sentences copied from other sections - what's your opinion on this repetition? I'm aware this is the first comment on this page from anyone but you, so do I get a bottle of champagne or something? Liamshaw 22:51, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Because everything in the Lead should also be in the article. The Lead is a short summary (in three paragraphs) that gives a reflection of the whole thing. Anything that is in the Lead that is not in the article is frowned upon by the powers that be. You are right though, the Lead should be paraphrased so as to make it more interesting, but I'm just filling in the gaps before polishing. If you want to change it, then please, please do. It would save me doing it, and it would mean that two editors are working on it, which would be most welcome... :) ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 20:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA[edit]

Mal is now up for GA. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 12:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Added GAnominee at the top of this page. I am not familiar with the GA process so if that's wrong, please correct me. John Cardinal 12:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I thank you kindly. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 11:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Early life[edit]

I have tried as hard as I can to find out more about where Mal went to school and his early life, but have found absolutely nothing. I even sent an e-mail to Bill Harry and received two replies, but he didn't know anything either. I hope this does not affect the article's rating. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 18:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Would probably for Featured Status, not GA. M3tal H3ad 07:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Evans was the first of The Beatles' inner circle to die"[edit]

What about Epstein ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.169.176.65 (talk) 18:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Bugger, you are TOTALLY right. How could I have missed that? I took it from a page about him, but I didn't see the obvious. I thank you very kindly (Mal thanks you as well... :) ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 19:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA on hold[edit]

  • There is some over wikilinking, The Beatles twice in the lead - John Lennon 3-4 times. Done
  • The first time you mention a person wikilink their name, the next time only refer to them with their surname with no link. Done
  • Dates are incorrectly formatted - 7 January should be January 7. Dates with year and month like this 23 July 1964, should be converted to July 23, 1964 with wikilinks. Done
  • Images are missing fair use rationales and a source (where you got the image from) Done
  • 'On film' contains several one sentence paragraphs Done
  • Don't wikilink solo years (I don't understand what you mean...) ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 12:38, 2 March 2007 (UTC) I do now ...[reply]
  • There's a reference to a lyrics site which breaches copyright Done
  • Miscellanea is basically a trivia section, remove or incorporate it into the body. Done
  • Web sources are missing publisher (site you got it from). Imdb is also an unreliable source and that ref needs to be changed, it's fan submitted. Done
  • Several one sentence paragraphs, remove, merge or expand. Done

Rest looks decent, i have this watch listed so if you have any queries or have edited the article accordingly leave a message here. M3tal H3ad 07:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Solo years - i meant is 1968 (a year by itself) should not be wikilinked Done
  • On 13 September 1969, - missed a date Done
  • Sorry should of made myself clearer - with sourcing images you need a weblink to the direct image, from amazon or CDuniverse preferably
  • Images still need fair use rationales - see Image:Reign in blood.jpg for an example of a detailed fair use rationale. Done

The Beatles photo that is now in is fair use, and is used in Yesterday, which is a Featured Article, so that is OK. The others are fair/free use. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 13:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I thank you very much, M3tal H3ad, for not only reviewing this article, but also for pointing out some obvious mistakes that I really should have seen. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 16:42, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Good work. M3tal H3ad 01:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC
Not sure where to list it, i put it under historical figures, which is probably wrong, but he isn't a performers, group, or composer so i believe its the most suitable section- feel free to change it. M3tal H3ad 01:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Date question[edit]

Should the lifespan dates (after name in paragraph 1, and in infobox) be in British "dd mmm yyyy" format? I assume they should, but didn't want to change them because I might be crossing a Wikipedia policy about those specific dates... John Cardinal 23:16, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you think they are wrong then go for it John. (I'm a poet and I don't know it...) ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 06:01, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I did it. Thanks, John (any relation to him? :) ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 16:19, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Whom him? John Cardinal 08:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Johnny Winston O'Boogie MBE (returned). It was not "I'm only sleeping", it was "I'm only joking" :) ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 17:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Date of diaries[edit]

the article says that extracts of Evan's diaries have recently been released. It doesn't say the actual date they were released. (Unsigned)

Look at the reference from "Timesonline". --andreasegde (talk) 17:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

His death[edit]

Although the police report specifically mentions a rifle, it seems difficult to see how even a police officer could mistake an air pistol for a rifle!? Unsigned comment by 198.166.255.32.

Yeh guys there is something weird about this whole cops and the air rifle thing. For a start there is no such thing as a 30.30 air gun. I have never heard of this air rifle bit before.
"The officers repeatedly told Evans to put down the rifle (which they did not know was an air-rifle) but Evans constantly refused. The police fired six shots, of which four struck Evans". Air-rifles look a lot like normal rifles, and can be just as deadly if they use pressurised gas cannisters. --andreasegde (talk) 17:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

Any edit made without a verifiable reference will be deleted, including edits that are slipped into referenced sentences, BTW. --andreasegde (talk) 02:47, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strange image[edit]

First off, nice article, all who worked on it. But in the "Later life and death" section, the image of the National Portait Gallery is rather strange - it's not even referenced in the text as far I I could tell. If his portrait is in there, shouldn't it simply be addressed in text, rather than in a caption on an image that doesn't show anything? Huw Powell (talk) 22:47, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I switched the photos around, so all is now clear. The painting of Evans is referenced, but was in the wrong section. Well spotted.--andreasegde (talk) 11:53, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Imelda Marcos[edit]

Bugger, the incident is not mentioned.--andreasegde (talk) 21:56, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is now.--andreasegde (talk) 10:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Death[edit]

The section about Evan's death is inconsistent - was it a rifle he was holding or wasn't it? Article states many times it was - and many times it wasn't! 68.254.169.228 (talk) 15:52, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It has been fixed.--andreasegde (talk) 10:30, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think it needs a bit more fixing. The main source cited in that section—the Miles book—says Evans was holding a 30.30. It doesn't say anything about it being an air rifle. It does say the weapon was unloaded. — John Cardinal (talk) 12:31, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are some minor problems here... it wasn't a "30.30 air rifle" but I'm not sure what kind of weapon he was raising when shot. And the biggest problem is the uncited claim that his ashes being lost in the post was a myth and that his ashes were spread by his family in Liverpool. I can't find that claim corroborated anywhere. After a thorough search, if I still can't find proof his ashes did make it back to the UK, then I'll delete the reference without citation that his ashes were returned. Besides, in two places elsewhere in the entry, it states the ashes were lost in the post. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.249.183.231 (talk) 04:51, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sorted the ashes problem because they were found, and have added two references.
  • I have seen it mentioned a few times that it was an air rifle. Also: "Hoernie struggled with Evans, but Evans (being much stronger) held onto the weapon." Who would "struggle" with a pistol that was in Mal's big hands? It's just not plausible.
  • His family were not living in Liverpool at the time of his death.--andreasegde (talk) 14:27, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sgt. Pepper contribution[edit]

Unless I'm missing something, the citation for "did not receive any royalties and stayed at his £38-a-week pay" is inadequate -- all I can see there is a reference to his pay in 1969, nothing about royalties and nothing about his pay in 1967. 87.115.56.122 (talk) 17:10, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Then look at the articles referenced and correct the page numbers and references. There are 5 pages in the Times article alone. Don't complain, get to work.--andreasegde (talk) 12:37, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've done it.--andreasegde (talk) 09:31, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA reassessment[edit]

Hey, I'm reassessing this article for GA sweeps, where we double-check old GAs and make sure they're good. After reading through this, I don't see any reason why this should not still be a GA, so keep up the good work. Wizardman 03:42, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I thank you.--andreasegde (talk) 12:37, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

questions about chronology in "Kenya and Sgt. Pepper" section[edit]

I find, at the beginning of that section:

"The Beatles' last concert was at Candlestick Park, San Francisco, on 29 August 1966, but Evans continued to run errands for them and to work with them in the studio. After recording Revolver in 1966, McCartney went by himself on holiday to France ..."

The Beatles went their separate ways after their last touring concert. Then I am confused by the reference to "After recording Revolver"; that album was done earlier in the year (mostly or entirely in spring 1966), and the Beatles went on tours to the Far East and to the U.S., with some people being disappointed that they performed no songs from Revolver (the newest song they ever did while touring was "Paperback Writer", which was then only on a single but was recorded during the Revolver album sessions).

The photo shows Mal Evans and Paul McCartney in moustaches. I am not aware of the Beatles in moustaches (other than as disguises) until after their touring ended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.82 (talk) 16:43, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And now I find in the Wikipedia item about Sgt. Pepper album:

"In November, during a flight back from a holiday in Kenya with his girlfriend Jane Asher and tour manager Mal Evans, McCartney had the first idea for the concept of an alternative Beatles band that would become the Sgt Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club band."

This would be a couple of months after touring ended, and 6 months or so after Revolver was made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.82 (talk) 19:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding facial hair, there are many photographs from late 1966 (after their touring days ended) in which all four Beatles can be seen wearing mustaches. It is very likely that the photo of McCartney and Evans sporting mustaches was from 1966. The promotional film for "Penny Lane" - in which the Beatles all had fully-grown mustaches - was filmed on 30 January 1967, according to the Wikipedia entry for "Penny Lane".Khandisi (talk) 03:54, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mal Evans in "A Hard Day's Night"[edit]

I added this, using IMDb as a reference source. The information on the IMDb website appeared in the "trivia" section which is a compilation of user-provided trivia. By viewing the actual scene from the film, it is clearly Mal carrying the upright bass in the scene.Khandisi (talk) 03:27, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Mal Evans/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

A decent article for this member of the Beatles' inner circle, but needs a good polish: a photo, sections, and references.--Steve (5 April 2006)

Last edited at 04:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 22:53, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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Play[edit]

Hi TRM, I was going through this article checking for new wlinks and for refs for the play. Went to add Echo ref and realised you'd just removed. Have added back a minimal mention - OK? JennyOz (talk) 07:02, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No problem at all. These kind of mentions always stick out to me like a sore thumb, borderline promotional without reliable third party sources. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:04, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Homicide vs Legal Intervention[edit]

Because Mal Evans was killed during a law enforcement action, the proper cause of death is legal intervention, a separate classification from homicide. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447171/161.7.59.24 (talk) 17:31, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In the USA (where he died) the five classifications used by coroners once an investigation has concluded are natural, accidental, homicide, suicide and undetermined. It isn't separate from homicide, it is a type of homicide. I think "Homicide (legal intervention)" or "Homicide by legal intervention" would be more appropriate than simply "Legal intervention". DFS (talk) 16:08, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Musical contributions[edit]

It says in the article that Mal hit the anvil on "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" because of Ringo supposedly not being able to lift the hammer high enough, but this is impossible, because despite not being present for the three days it took to record it prior to the Moog overdub (his name is not even mentioned on the July 9-11 sessions - see here https://www.dmbeatles.com/history.php?year=1969), Geoff Emerick contradicted himself by saying that Ringo didn't have the strength to lift a hammer, which is obviously nonsense, only to say that Mal had no sense of drummer's timing and don't forget, Geoff himself stated in a 1979 interview that he had next to no ability to remember much of his work on The Beatles' sessions at Abbey Road Studios. 27.32.188.134 (talk) 01:42, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Monetary donation.[edit]

I would willingly make a 1 off contribution from time to time but I definitely do not wish to provide all my personal details. However if you were to provide your banking details I would make an anonymous donation. I am a retired 77 year old who takes advantage of the numerous on line Pro democracy news media both here in the UK and the USA. And I am deterred from making occasional modest payments as they all adopt the same approach of requesting sensitive data before you can donate. Perhaps you might have a rethink on this and maybe amend your procedures to allow for anonymous contributions. Many sincere thanks for your incredible encyclopaedic service. 80.7.25.127 (talk) 09:18, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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