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Siddiqui, Sheikh Muhammad Ikram has written a series of three books on the Islamic movements and figures in the Indo-Pak subcontinent. These are in Urdu, but the books are highly scholarly and deserve translation in English, as the author had traveled wide to read original manuscripts and made comparisons of different editions in many cases. The books are:

1. Aab-e-Kauthar 2. Rood-e-Kauthar 3. Mauj-e-Kauthar

These were published by Idara-e-Siqafat-e-Islamia, Lahore, and I have the set of the 1967 edition, 12t reprint (1988).

Almost at the start of the second book, he talks of the Mahdvi tehreek (movwmwnt) and gives details of Syed Muhammad Jaunpuri and his disciples, his Khulafa and the struggles they had with the rulers.

I don't know what the policy of WP is as regards to information from works in languages other than English, but this set is a mine of information.

Although I guess I should be posing this question to Zora, unquestioningly (or self-appointed) the editor-in-chief of anything to do with islam. :)

I hope she doesn't mind this little dig. :) peacedove 14:38, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Edited July 22 2007[edit]

Just added some more info on the dairas and present day locations of mehdavis... Sagheero 11:07, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

The article has a few sources that establish this as a bona-fide topic, but it is suspiciously difficult to find anything more. For example, Encyclopedia of Islam has nothing. I tried the spellings "Mahdavi" and "Mahdawi" as well as "Mahdavist", "Mahdawist". My suspicion is that there may be different terms or spellings for the same thing.

"Mahdavi" seems to be just the Iranic spelling of "Mahdawi", meaning "Mahdiist", so the term can in principle refer to any Mahdiist movement. Compare Mahdaviat, which states as much, but for some reason has Mahdavi, which it glosses as "Mahdi followers" redirect to the Jaunpuri article. Clearly, this is a big mess.

One of the precious few sources we do have claims the movement died out in the 18th century. Then there is nothing for the 19th or 20th century, but for today we get the usual unordered link rot for "Mahdavia" movements that apparently exist today. What is going on here? There seems to be a Jamiat-e-Mahdavia in Matadahalli, Bangalore. What is this, when was it established, and how large is it? And how exactly do the Zikri tie into this? --dab (𒁳) 11:50, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

a Book[edit]

Mentioned here is a book, with enough info quoted on that page to indicate it is probably a useful resource for here.
“(…) a chapter titled Zikris of Balochistan in the book, Oxford in Pakistan Readings in Sociology and Social Anthropology, historian and writer Dr Inayatullah Baloch (…)”
— JamesEG (talk) 23:29, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

a personal reference[edit]

One of the Zikri scholar and friend of my father at Makran told him that their tribe had dispatched the soldiers for aid to Imam Hussain, but they were too late. They also link their affiliation to King of Sindh (Rajputana) a vassal king of Caliph Ali, Old Barahminabad and later Mansoora after Muslim invasion by Muhammad bin Qasim. So I doubt their origin from 15/1600 AD. However, their merger to Jaunpuri Sect is acceptable. Nannadeem (talk) 20:04, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't think Zikris are a sect of Mahdavis/Should have own article[edit]

Hey everyone,

I've been researching Zikris and am coming to believe they are not a sect of Mahdaviyya, in that they don't think their Mahdi is Muhammad Jaunpur. They are a different Mahdist sect. In the book "What is Moderate Islam?" by Robert Benkin, he states Zikris deny they are a follower of Junpuri or that he went to Balochistan (102). Akbar Ahmad's book "Islam in Tribal Societies" says they call their messiah Nur Pak and they have not heard of Janpuri. It seems to be an outsider explanation of Zikris that their Mahdi is Janpuri. Also, Janpur is absolutely nowhere near Balochistan. Given this confusion, I think we should consider creating a separate article for Zikris as there is debate on who this Mahdi figure is. There are many sources on this group's beliefs, practices, and persecution online to form their own article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaynab1418 (talk • contribs) 22:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to add on, the original portion contained no sources and said Zikris perform an orthodox prayer. This doesn't make sense because Zikris don't do namaz at all. Mahdavi websites don't say anything about Zikris. The Indian Mahdavis seem to regard them as some sort of wayward far-off sect who rejected the mainstream Mahdavi practices, but the Zikris deny they're followers of Juanpuri at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaynab1418 (talk • contribs) 09:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

After several months, I've went ahead and separated the articles.--Zaynab1418 (talk) 03:06, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]