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My way[edit]

"It has been suggested that Spike sings the Gary Oldman version of My Way at the beginning of the episode and sings along to the Sex Pistols Sid Vicious recording at the end"

I think there is a harsh misunderstanding. There is no Sid Vicious Version in the Episode. Even the Source given to "prove" the claim is clear about that. The actor "Gary Oldman" played Sid in the movie "Sid und Nancy". Its ONLY the version from this movie thats used in the Episode. You could argue that Whedon might have tried to get the Sid Vicious one and failed and it is actually this version from a "Buffyverse"/Spike point of view but that is pure speculation.

I agree with you, before my mention of Gary Oldman's cover of 'My Way' there was nothing in this wiki citing it, I did not provide the information that supports the sex pistol's version being used in the episode(even though there is a lot of support for it here, and elsewhere online if you do a search).

I did not write any of these unsupported bullet points:

* Sex Pistols/Sid Vicious - "My Way" Sung by Spike as he leaves Sunnydale. Spike's embrace of punk music, as opposed to quieter, more emotive music (Angel later shows an affinity for Barry Manilow as well as the "Rat Pack" itself, led by Frank Sinatra, who performed the most famous version of "My Way") is indicative of his personality as the foil to brooding intellectuals like Angel, as well as his former human self.

* Spike gloomily sings "My Way", originally performed by Frank Sinatra as he wanders around his old haunts. When he is "back to his old self," he sings the wild Sid Vicious version. In Season Five of Angel, eye witnesses of an ensouled Spike's bravery will report that he asked them if they want to listen to Sex Pistols records after saving them.

However What I did write was this supported piece of info:

* It has been suggested that Spike sings the Gary Oldman version of My Way at the beginning of the episode and sings along to the Sex Pistols Sid Vicious recording at the end.

And I also wrote the sentence on the song 'Loneliness of six', which wasn't there before I editted the section.

I wasn't going to remove the two unsupported bullet points(that remember, I didn't write) without there being a discussion of it here in the talk page. Do you think those two unsupported bullet points should be removed? and therefore my first sentence should then also be changed to reflect this removal, so as not cause any confusion to readers?

Personally, I disagree with removing the two bullet points as in the book The Watcher's guide vol 2 on pg 158 it describes that -- in the original script Spike's lyrics followed the Sinatra version, with the lines 'I ate it up, and spit it out', that ultimately didn't make it into the aired episode, but the closed captioning (in the aired episode) still reflects Sinatra's lyrics that were intended to be used in the original script.(probably as you suggested due to copyright issues Sinatra's version couldn't be used).

interesting is this about the beginning or the end?

At the end he sings

"...chartered course, each careful step along the byway, and more, much more than this, I did it my way"

which is present in all three versions

Pick up the book sometime and have a read!

So whether the lyrics are supposed to be the Sex Pistol's or solely Gary Oldman's is still unresolved.

The reference that I supplied that states that BOTH versions in the episode are Gary Oldman's is a bit weak, for me to be comfortable with removing the mention of the Sex Pistol's. Perhaps someone could get in contact with who originally wrote those two bullet points, to see if they have any evidence to support them?

Boundarylayer (talk) 12:04, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I actually agree with you on most points.

But still not the fundamental one regarding your entry.

But I am pretty sure you just do not know the Oldman Version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arMXYEDuWPg

I think the misunderstanding is already solved.

Spike sings "My Way" (for himself!) at the beginning in a melancholic mood that could be described being

close to Sinatras "My Way".

At the end Spike sings along a Punk version of the song. This is the Gary Oldman version.

If there is no other scene only Spike and Mr. Oldman are heard singing this song in "Lovers Walk"

The "some sources say its Sid" is the sad part about the power of Wikipedia.

But I do understand it is hard to distinguish between a Singer and an Actor performing

while playing the role of that Singer.

Almost all older Sources agree its Gary Oldman. Among them all 3 Sources used for the entry

I really do not know how to add further proof.

Lovers, Lover's, or Lovers'[edit]

There seems to still be a problem with the title of this article. At the moment, after a recent move, it no longer agrees with the title shown in the text. Rather than edit and move endlessly, could someone cite here a canonical reference for this title, so can definitively decide this and make any necessary fixes? Thanks. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 17:59, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I checked my DVDs. The booklet lists "Lovers Walk" while the DVD menu lists "Lover's Walk." The introduction to Rhonda Wilcox's Why Buffy Matters says, "the script apparently does not carry an apostrophe, by the way--making for a short, sad, declarative sentence for a title." Not canon, but scholarly. Alpha5099 03:59, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody get Joe Sweden on trhe phone! I've got the shooting scripts and it surely does say "Lovers Walk" at the top of every page. Thinking about it aren't the shooting scripts far closer to canonicity than DVD menus/TV listings.. if the intentions of Mutant Enemy were naming it "Lovers Walk" shouldn't that be the article title? -- Paxomen 12:47, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dealt with. The article's now Lovers Walk, and I think I changed all the links to it as well.--Nalvage 20:28, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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