Talk:List of solar thermal power stations

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Ordos is not a single plant[edit]

The ”Ordos” project on 2000 MW is described in the link in LA Times as ” a series of solar thermal power plants in China with a total capacity of 2,000 megawatts”. So this is not a single ”Solar Thermal Power Station”. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jantangring (talk • contribs) 10:01, 14 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]


What is "capacity"?[edit]

What is the "capacity"? Is it the average net output power, the maximum output power, the maximum sunlight absorbed, or the maximum power that the system could withstand if the irradiation were to increase? --Hokanomono ✉ 14:16, 6 July 2009 (UTC) It is the maximum net output power(electric).Lars9e (talk) 16:36, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can you insert this information to the article, please. A link to a difinition of the capacity would be fine too. -- Hokanomono ✉ 15:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Announced - USA[edit]

Don't you think the Arizona flags should be removed from the list? It seems quite pointless and just takes up room. California and Nevada doesn't have there flag on there. That isn't fair! ...I sound like a child... Star3Wars3 (talk) 16:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Announced - Australia[edit]

I notice that Australia is listed as having announced a 250 MW solar thermal station, with no location or technology yet selected, based on a single news story [1] from 1 February this year.

Is that really encyclopedic? The chance of it ever being built or funded is hard to assess, but it's not all that substantial. See also Solar Tower Buronga and compare to this previous version. Andrewa (talk) 02:25, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Where to list solar thermal process heat?[edit]

Do solar thermal process heat plants like the 29MWth Coalinga tower from Brightsource (http://www.brightsourceenergy.com/projects/coalinga) belong into this list?Lars9e (talk) 04:13, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are a dozen plants (hybrid-integrated-augmented ... and so on) which produce only heat, without owning their turbine, heat that is used to pre-heat the steam for a big turbine that works mainly with another source of heat. It is almost (in reality, I guess how they do it) a mistery (or oppinable) how it is stated an electrical output. So, I support a separate list for solar plants without their own turbine or that produce only heat. --Robertiki (talk) 20:03, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Article title[edit]

Don't you think we should change the title to: Concentrated Solar Thermal Power Stations — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.123.252.12 (talk) 19:47, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I guess so — Preceding unsigned comment added by KilowattMan (talk • contribs) 16:05, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hybrid solar thermal and photovoltaic power stations[edit]

Have just added an interesting plant: Copiapó Solar Project which is to be comprised of two 130 megawatt (MW) gross solar thermal towers (with 14 hours of thermal storage), combined with 150 MW of PV. Now, this page is a list of solar thermal plants, any objections ? Note: che 150 MW of PV will be operated fully integrated with the solar towers, which instead would take the burden of the night production - the station is intended to operate as 24/7 baseload.--Robertiki (talk) 03:16, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Solar Thermal Power Plants[edit]

Solar thermal power station, the title of this page, is defined as any solar facility generating power. Power cannot be defined solely as electricity generation. Miraah and Brightsource Coalinga are both power gnerating solar thermal power stations and belong on this list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.88.246.162 (talk) 20:48, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. If Miraah and Brightsource are not included then the definition must change from energy to electricity. It is misleading. Andynct (talk) 07:19, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The article has always been about electricity. The article lead was changed in this revision by the same user who made this comment. It is customary to refer to power when talking about electricity. If we want to change the definition of solar thermal power I think we should first reach consensus. Moreover, it is technically wrong to compare electricity with heat, so two separate lists should be used. In the meanwhile I'll revert the edit in the lead. --Ita140188 (talk) 04:51, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Need to decide a limit[edit]

There are a lot of small plants in the world. We can not possibly list them all here. We need to have a minimum power capacity to get into the list. I propose 10 MW as a reasonable limit. I also propose to make a list with the largest plant for each type of solar thermal power (solar tower, parabolic trough etc.) so that each technology is represented by at least one example. --Ita140188 (talk) 05:40, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. 10 MW limit is OK, even 20 MW or 50 MW is reasonable for me.--Jklamo (talk) 10:08, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Updating under construction section[edit]

Using NREL [2] as a source, I can verify the entries for some of these entries but not the ones for Spain, China or India. I don't know if these are canceled projects, completed ones or just cases of the names not matching. Rmhermen (talk) 19:11, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Spanish representants[edit]

Why are most of this List of power stations in Spain#Solar out of this article? Otherwise, I don't know in what level PS10 solar power plant, PS20 solar power plant and Sevilla Photovoltaic Power Plant are different (cf. Solnova Solar Power Station and Solucar Complex). ※ Sobreira ◣◥ (parlez) 13:47, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Sobreira: the plants in List of power stations in Spain#Solar seem to be all solar photovoltaics. This page is about solar thermal power plants. --Ita140188 (talk) 02:53, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
In fact, it seems there are many on this page that should also be on List of power stations in Spain. Rmhermen (talk) 03:49, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Reference needs update[edit]

Refs 4-12 and maybe others go to the NREL database which has moved to https://solarpaces.nrel.gov/ Rmhermen (talk) 05:59, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Largest plants by technology citation needed what[edit]

About the edit, please explain, what was required. --Robertiki (talk) 11:49, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is no citation for which is the largest solar plant and no source for the order. Dagana4 (talk) 14:54, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia ranking tables are based on the "best effort" concept, Wikipedia often offering a ranking not found in sources. Building a ranking table is one of the exceptions, which is not original research, because it is based on a simple calculation/comparison. So far we have a wikilink for each entry, no citation is needed. --Robertiki (talk) 05:35, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Dagana4 (talk) 06:17, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Solar thermal power plant called "Helioenergy"[edit]

There is a Wikipedia page called "Gemasolar Thermosolar Plant", but that plant is not mentioned in this List of solar thermal power plants. The one closest in the list is called "Helioenergy Solar Power Station" I have today (2019 May 14) searched "Helioenergy" with Google and come up with the following: The location given on this Wikipedia page is that of a company in the town Ecija. By inspecting the Google Map of the area around Ecija, I estimate that the power station, called "Gemasolar thermosolar plant", is located 22 km west of that town. It is 5 km from the A-4 road between Ecija and Carmona, and can be easily seen from that road. Marshallhall38 (talk) 01:08, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Marshallhall38: Gemasolar Thermosolar Plant reports the location coordinates on the top right of the article or in the infobox. It is not included in this list because it has a nameplate capacity of 20 MW and this list only includes plants with capacity of at least 50 MW. --Ita140188 (talk) 08:02, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Update list from NREL[edit]

Nrel has a worldwide database of CSP plants. We should use this to update the table and add it as a reference.

https://solarpaces.nrel.gov/
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Gsonnenf (talk • contribs) 19:17, 2 July 2019‎ (UTC)[reply]

The NREL database contains many mistakes and anyway has already a bunch of links. The beauty of Wikipedia is that so many editors knowledge, often directly involved, is better then that of some, at best, mildly interested bureaucrats :-)
You wan't some examples ?
Aurora Solar Energy Project [3]
was dead almost a year ago. Database not updated.
Archimede [4]
At the site there is no such thing as a 5 MW turbine, neither the 130 MW CC steam turbine is augmented to 134,72 MW, as stated. That 130 MW steam turbine remains 130 MW no matter how much sun you have. The database has all the hybrid solar thermal station data wrong: [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]. All describing a inexistent 20 MW or 75 MW turbine. And NREL misses some old plants. NREL database is useful has a hint to start a search, but is in no way reliable or complete. We can and do better.
--Robertiki (talk) 14:24, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Total of listed plants not misleading[edit]

I find that giving the total of the listed plants (and explaining that as a comment) is a useful way to give an idea of the total installed upper-power plants and progress of the technology. --Robertiki (talk) 01:48, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The operational list is not a selection of the biggest CSP plants, but aims to be a list of all known CSP Plants of a minimum size. --Robertiki (talk) 03:02, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The total calculated from this list is a meaningless number: it does not represent all plants over a certain capacity, since this list is incomplete, and it does not represent the real total, since we have no idea how many smaller plants there are. We can add the estimated total installed CSP capacity in the world from reliable sources instead. --Ita140188 (talk) 04:59, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, total is a meaningless number. --Jklamo (talk) 16:04, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
For eleven years there was a calculated total. In January 2018, without talk, it was removed. You state that the listed total is a meaningless number. I find it a useful number. That number does no damage whatever, and gives an useful sense of what is the actual CSP status. In doubt, keep more information. Besides reputable sources estimate the total at about 6,200 MW now. Why should we count also the smaller plants if it maintains (only plants in the list) ? --Robertiki (talk) 16:10, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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