Talk:List of people with non-binary gender identities/Archive 1

Archive 1

Concerns about self-identification

I am concerned about this list because some of these people do not explicitly identify as genderqueer. This came up on the main genderqueer page; I had added Justin Vivian Bond and was reverted as Bond identifies specifically as trans, not genderqueer.

I realize that genderqueer is generally seen as synonymous with non-binary gender identity, i.e identifying as something other than exclusively male or female. But the latter is more neutral, and people like Bond would likely fit under such a heading without controversy. We had a discussion on this on the genderqueer talk page which I feel should be continued. Funcrunch (talk) 16:27, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Miley Cyrus? The list entries need to be verified. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:47, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

I just clicked on every source in the reference list, and only about three of them even mention the word genderqueer. Even if we accept genderqueer as an umbrella term synonymous with non-binary gender identity (which I dispute), we should not be assigning gender identities to specific individuals without evidence. It is analogous to using the wrong pronoun. Perhaps this should be addressed in MOS:IDENTITY as well. Funcrunch (talk) 18:03, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

WP:EGRS has some useful guidance, even though it is only related to categorisation. I think the guidelines in EGRS and IDENTITY should be harmonised as they address basically the same set of issues. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:57, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I just added one person to the list who does, in fact, use the word "genderqueer" as a description for themselves. That said, I absolutely agree that the list needs to be monitored and trimmed for self-identity issues — it's not a catch-all term for all people who identify their gender as something non-binary, but a very specific identity which should not be imposed on anyone who doesn't use the term for themselves. (By a similar token, there's an increasing phenomenon of L, G or B people coming out as LGBT but not being specific in their public statements as to whether they specifically identify as lesbian/gay or as bisexual — and when that happens, we don't make our own assumptions based on analyzing their sexual behaviour or lack thereof, but simply leave them described and categorized at the LGBT level. And the general term "queer", as popular as it is in some circles, is not universally accepted by all people as being synonymous with LGBT either, so we don't use that as an alternative but only as a descriptor for people who identify themselves as such.)

I agree that even if EGRS doesn't officially cover lists, the same kind of principles apply to inclusion in lists of LGBT/queer identities as categories for them: anybody who doesn't use the term "genderqueer" for themselves should not be listed here regardless of how "genderqueer" their public persona may appear to others — the other alternative would be to move the list to a more inclusive and neutral title so that the Miley Cyruses can stay on it. Bearcat (talk) 14:36, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

The intro above list actually states that it is based on the "non-binary definition" of the term. I have removed Miley Cyrus from the list as well as a photo of her on the basis of the objections to her inclusion rather than the non-specific "definition". Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:52, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Based on the question you posed in your edit summary, I just wanted to clarify in case my comments were ambiguous or gave you or anyone else the wrong idea about what I was saying: it's not that the term "genderqueer" has any narrower definition than "all non-binary identities" — it's that, like "queer" as an overarching term for all LGBT people, because of its POV overtones it's not universally accepted as the normative term for all of the people that its definition covers. It's not that Miley Cyrus doesn't fit into it at all — it's that we can't properly source it as being the specific word that she accepts for herself. If this list had a more neutral name, there'd be no problem with including her — but it's not about genderqueer being a more specific subset of "all non-binary identities", so much as it's about "loaded term that isn't universally accepted by all of the people that it covers". Bearcat (talk) 15:05, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

If we agree that a person has to specifically self-identify as genderqueer to be included in this list, we need to remove everyone except Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore, Violet Chachki, and CN Lester. Unless better sources are found, as none of the ones currently listed for the others even mention the term "genderqueer". Funcrunch (talk) 15:17, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I personally would like to include more notable people on this list, which might be possible if we change the name to "List of people with non-binary gender identities" or similar. Funcrunch (talk) 15:20, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Also, there are some people who see genderqueer as an identity unto itself, not an umbrella term. However, I don't have reliable sources to point to in order to explain that at the moment. That kind of discussion would be good to continue over at the Genderqueer article. Funcrunch (talk) 15:24, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Funcrunch I moved the article at your suggestion from "List of people who identify as being genderqueer" to "List of people with non-binary gender identities". The sources do not confirm that these people identify as "genderqueer". Genderqueer is a new term which is not in wide use and has an ambiguous meaning. The title you suggested is a heading which matches the sources used. Anyone else could move the article again. I see no evidence that "genderqueer" should be the label applied to the people in this list. Blue Rasberry (talk) 11:59, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

The title and the stated scope of the list are now mismatched. The lead should be amended to remove or at least be less definitive about "non-binary=genderqueer" per the consensus reached here. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:31, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Bluerasberry for moving the title. I took a shot at editing the lead, pointing to the Genderqueer page as one of many possible non-binary identities. I also edited the section on that page that points to this one. More work will need to be done on the Genderqueer page to clarify the distinction between genderqueer and non-binary. Funcrunch (talk) 16:26, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

What more work do you have in mind for that article, considering that the term genderqueer is an umbrella term for non-binary gender identities, even though some people don't use the term genderqueer to indicate that they are non-binary? Flyer22 (talk) 17:49, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Many disagree that genderqueer is an umbrella term in the way you describe. Similar to "queer" being often used as a synonym for "LGBT", this usage of the term can be actually harmful to many who do not identify with that word. I need to find reliable sources to explain this however. Funcrunch (talk) 23:15, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

I know that "Many disagree that genderqueer is an umbrella term in the way [I] describe"; many also agree. We've been over this. And it's because of the "we've been over" this matter that I asked what I did in my "17:49, 17 June 2015" post above. Flyer22 (talk) 04:10, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Two-spirit people

The list of people of third gender is almost finished. I have made use of categories such as Category:Kathoey people to realize the current list, but checked the sources to see if the identification was correct. I haven't been able to do so with most people in the Two-spirit category, because either the sources were not available to me, or because the person in question doesn't seem to actually be two-spirit. For instance, it is unclear from the article whether Kent Monkman is two-spirit or a performative crossdresser, and I wasn't able to look into some of the sources either way.

I do believe the list can still be expanded for as far as two-spirited people are concerned, and I hope other people will be able to do so ^_^ ~Mable (chat) 12:50, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Third gender section

Besides the comment on two-spirit above, I believe the article might be able to be expanded based on other third genders for which we have articles in Category:Third gender. It doesn't seem like we have people of these genders on Wikipedia, but if we do, feel free to add them to the list, provided ou have adequate sources. ~Mable (chat) 13:15, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps table should be removed

This could be a long list. The table makes it look nice, but many users have trouble manipulating tables and people who use screenreaders have trouble reading tables.

Most Wikipedia articles which present lists do not use tables. A table may or may not be best - I am not sure in this case. Blue Rasberry (talk) 01:25, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

I agree, list format without a table would probably be better and easier to edit in this case. Funcrunch (talk) 03:07, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Editing a table is one of the most painful parts of content creation. Even after eight years and 50,000 edits I still struggle with it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:15, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

I also agree that the table - now tables - should be removed. Good examples of lists without tables can be seen at List of transgender people and List of intersex people. The formatting is easier to read and more flexible. Trankuility (talk) 09:47, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

I personally disagree quite strongly, and believe that a sortable table heavily improves a list both in look and functionality. The list is a lot more easy to sort in this form and it is possible to list specific data such as birthyear, where such information may be more difficult to add in a loose list. I also don't think that this form being "too difficult to manipulate" is much of a reason to remove it. There are a lot of featured lists that make use of sortable tables and are better for it. If sortable tables were too difficult to manipulate for Wikipedians, shouldn't all lists stop using them? ~Mable (chat) 16:20, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Related:' If you want to have a person added to this list and are unsure of how to go about it, you can always ask on this talk page. ~Mable (chat) 16:26, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

One of the issues I have with the current format is that adding a column, for example adding "gender identity" to the table of "People of western cultures" is non-trivial. There's no reason, in my view, why "People of western cultures" are less likely to want a gender identity descriptor than "People of third gender". (As a side note, while I agree that adding people with "third gender" identities improves the scope of the article and an attempt has been made to address geographic bias, both lists currently contain a bias towards persons in many of the same English-speaking countries.) Trankuility (talk) 01:37, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

I have been wanting to add the same column to this table as well, but my issue was that looking up all the "labels" would take to much work, especially if I want to verify that sources use them. I'm willing to add the column, and leave it open in such a way that other people can add to it, though. It just means the table would be incomplete for a while. ~Mable (chat) 09:15, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

I would be glad if you do add a column that can be completed over time. Trankuility (talk) 09:35, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

I will do so tomorrow. Family and Christmas are kinda keeping me busy right now, but I promise to get on to it soon ^_^ ~Mable (chat) 09:55, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

I helped out by adding the column - we can all collaborate on populating it :-) Funcrunch (talk) 17:20, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Good work :) I would have some comments about the way it is populated right now (such as that "trans" is a very odd identifier for a nonbinary person and "genderless" might be something that needs to be quoted), but it's pretty neat! ~Mable (chat) 18:27, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Trans is in fact actually how Justin Vivian Bond identifies. I agree that it might seem odd, but I checked the source (for Bond and the others I've edited so far) and it's valid. Funcrunch (talk) 19:08, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

General bias towards English-speaking people

On bias towards English-speaking people: this is somewhat of an issue in Wikipedia as a whole. I'd love to add more Hijra people, but there are only so many, and they are usually just referred to as "transgender" in the sources used in the article. Same is the issue with Kathoey people. If you can find a source that refers to any of these people as "Hijra" or "Kathoey" specifically (even if it clarifies that it is basically the same as "transgender"), be sure to add them/tell me about them. Lastly, there exist a lot of third genders for which we have no article for any person of said gender. If you know an article on any Balkan sworn virgins, please let me know! ~Mable (chat) 09:15, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts. I'm struggling with the current divide, though. I added Alok Vaid-Menon, but they are South Asian and American, and the current terminology doesn't fit very well. I wonder if something like "Non-binary and genderqueer identities" would be more appropriate than "People of western cultures", and "Third gender and Indigenous identities" might be better than "People of third gender"? Trankuility (talk) 09:34, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

I very much approve of this change. I was unsure how to name the sections myself, and I basically just went with the first thing that came up in my mind, hoping someone else could think of something better :p ~Mable (chat) 09:55, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Done, while recognizing that others might have better ideas. Trankuility (talk) 10:56, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia is always a work in progress. I'm very happy to hear other people's opinions on this list~ ~Mable (chat) 15:28, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2015

Laxmi Narayan Tripathi is not a Genderqueer person and no one consider her as Genderqueer person in India, Kindly remove her name 117.199.142.23 (talk) 06:19, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

 Not done She clearly identifies herself as non-binary - as in the documentary about her Between the line: The third gender of India and this article - Arjayay (talk) 12:20, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

The title and description of this page were changed from genderqueer to non-binary specifically to broaden the number of notable people who could be included in the list. However, I believe some people do feel the term "non-binary" is Eurocentric, and many those we might label as "third gender" would not choose the non-binary label for themselves. Funcrunch (talk) 16:53, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

I also request you to include A. Revathi in non binary list and Gopi Shankar Madurai [1], [2] under non-binary genderqueer list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.199.143.111 (talk) 08:52, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2016

117.199.143.111 (talk) 08:47, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 09:27, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Unconfirmed non-binary people

Here's a list of people who may not have an article but who may be non-binary: [3] - I removed them because of WP:BLP issues. I really wouldn't want to have unconfirmed people on here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maplestrip (talk • contribs) 20:15, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

I alerted the editor who made the additions after I added the refimprove notice, but I think you were right to just remove them for BLP reasons. Funcrunch (talk) 20:26, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Related, I don't think we should have people on this list unless they already have a Wikipedia article, for notability reasons. Funcrunch (talk) 20:27, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

This is a difficult issue, particularly in areas underrepresented on Wikipedia for reasons unrelated to the notability of red linked individuals. I would prefer an approach where red links are accepted as long as relevance and notability that meet BLP standards are established by verifiable citations. Trankuility (talk) 05:21, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

@Trankuility: That sounds reasonable. It would be useful to have notable red links, as on the List of intersex people. Funcrunch (talk) 18:58, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

I agree that red links are perfectly allowed, as long as there is a reasonable reason to believe a person is notable. Lists like these are perfect for article creation. However, making sure all entries are properly sourced is, in my opinion, important. I may look through some of the entries I removed tomorrow to see if I can find sources for them. I haven't had much time yesterday, so I just did a quick undo – sorry if that was a bit rude ^_^; ~Mable (chat) 21:50, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

The problem with that approach is that Wikipedia editors have an unfortunate tendency to not actually check the references provided in lists like this. On the various Lists of LGBT people, for example, we had extremely regular problems with the addition of non-notable people, "supported" by references that failed to support their notability, their sexual orientation or both — e.g. their own social media profiles, lists of famous gay people that didn't actually contain the name they were being cited to support, a duplication of the reference from another entry which supported the original entry but not the new one, references that didn't actually exist at all, etc. But editors tended not to actually check whether it actually supported the new entry's inclusion in the list; as long as a reference was present, editors would routinely just let the entry through without verifying whether that reference was actually a valid one for that entry or not.

Once a cleanup project was finally instigated to fix all the problems with the list, it took a couple of weeks to get all the erroneous or invalidly-sourced or non-notable entries cleaned up properly. So, unfortunately, for a list with high BLP sensitivities like those and this, I'm of the belief that we have to limit the list entries to those who already have Wikipedia articles to link to — because the references aren't always going to get properly checked to ensure that "relevance and notability that meet BLP standards" are actually being properly demonstrated. Bearcat (talk) 19:33, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Other lists are longer and difficult to manage. I can promise you that I have personally checked every single entry of this list, and I believe some others have checked entries from this list as well. This is not an issue for this list specifically, but I recommend starting such a clean-up project for other pages, definitely! ~Mable (chat) 21:50, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

@Bearcat: I think verified social media profiles are OK to link to for a subject's confirmation of their own gender identity and/or sexual orientation. Funcrunch (talk) 21:58, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Sure. But the existence of a verified social media profile doesn't necessarily constitute proof in and of itself that the person is notable enough to warrant being included in the list as a redlink. Bearcat (talk) 22:01, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Nobody is suggesting this. The second paragraph of WP:Red link specifically tells you not to. I think we all know what red links are for here. ~Mable (chat) 22:15, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

EvergreenFir just pointed me to WP:Write the article first in a related discussion, might be useful here (though it's an essay, not a policy). Funcrunch (talk) 00:29, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

My point was about red links relating to underrepresented people and groups, where there can be historical issues of WP:BIAS. As another example, the list of intersex people, like this list, is relatively new and has grown significantly since. The red links there seem to check out and there is, as here, a small but active group of editors. Hopefully, over time, the issue of underrepresentation will resolve and red links won't be necessary. The essay that Funcrunch is useful and consistent as it points out that there was a time when many areas were inadequately represented, and red links were then more acceptable. I agree that care is needed so the list is not dominated by red links. Trankuility (talk) 02:23, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2017

CabalCamarilla (talk) 21:01, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — IVORK _Discuss 21:48, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Genderqueer category rename discussion, relevant to this list

I've started a category rename discussion that is relevant to this list, as it proposes renaming Category:Genderqueer people to Category:People with non-binary gender identities, based on the same rationale for renaming this page. Please discuss at the Categories for Discussion entry. Funcrunch (talk) 21:27, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Differentiating non-binary and third genders

I find that the split into two tables of Western non-binary and non-Western third genders only really serves to racialize and historicize third genders. Is anyone able to share a different justification for this split? Both tables state individuals' preferred identity terms, so I propose that the two tables be merged. Trankuility (talk) 06:17, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

I support merging the tables for the reasons you mention. Funcrunch (talk) 16:00, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

I personally think it might be more appropriate to take to opposite route and splitting this list into two. Applying "non-binary" or "genderquuer" to people with indigenous gender identifies may be considered a form of erasure or may indicate a deep misunderstanding of some of these gender identities. Some of the "third genders" listed may even be more comparable to what we know as transgender than what we know as non-binary. Regardless of what route we take, I don't think we should take it haphazardly. ~Mable (chat) 15:39, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

I understand your perspective, but I disagree because the problem to me is the process of homogenizing people with different culturally-specific and indigenous identities into a single separate table. There's a relevant discussion at Talk:Third gender#Pre-merger discussion: the relationship of this page to non-binary, genderqueer, bigender, pangender and trigender. Trankuility (talk) 02:29, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

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Eliot Sumner

Eliot Sumner doesn't belong on this list. Yes, I have read articles and I know what she has said. She doesn't belong on this list. Frankly, this list is offensive and nosy. It's no one's business. Let us please respect Miss Sumner's privacy by avoiding speculation about her personal life. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a gossip column. This isn't a newspaper or a TV show. Don't act like journalists.Vmavanti (talk) 18:02, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Sorry? This list collects the names of notable individuals who have provably indicated in public that they are non-binary. No nosiness or invasion of privacy involved. It's not gossip if it's easy verifiable information. Wikipedia only reports on facts, and it's a fact that notable individuals have stated that they are non-binary.

Moreover, this is information actually relevant to our readers, especially those who are non-binary themselves and feel reassured by celebrities coming out as non-binary. Just imagine the boost and vindication it can provide to a non-binary reader – maybe closeted or not taken seriously by their environment, family, schoolmates, colleagues, etc. – that a celebrity they're a fan of has been non-binary all along. Representation isn't enough, but it does matter. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 01:19, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Request to add new information (or have moderators do so)

I would like to add (or have the moderator(s) of the page do so) Nico Tortorella to the list of people with Non-binary, Genderqueer, and Genderfluid identities. Please see this article for information regarding Nico's self-identified gender identity: https://www.gaystarnews.com/article/nico-tortorella-gender-fluid — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.145.203.165 (talk) 19:00, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Added.  Done --Florian Blaschke (talk) 17:34, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Eddie Izzard

Is listed as transgender in this article when in the article about him on Wiki he is quoted as being '"a straight transvestite"'. Can he be removed? Travelsandbooks (talk) 07:38, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

A "transvestite" is not quite the same as a crossdresser, at least not in this day and age. Izzard's description of his own gender situation is fairly confusing, describing himself as "a male lesbian" and "a lesbian trapped in a man's body" He certainly has called himself "Transgender" multitple times, and has even had his genome sequenced in order to help prove that transgenderism is genetic. Lastly, he has called himself "a complete boy plus half girl." Honestly, all of this combined, I feel like saying Izzard has a "non-binary" gender-identity is fairly accurate... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:40, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2018

Rebecca Sugar recently came out as nonbinary. She is the creator of the show Steven Universe. 173.56.61.50 (talk) 22:56, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

 Done in future, please provide reliable sources to verify information you wish to have added to articles. Thanks, NiciVampireHeart 20:32, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2019

Axel Samano is also a non-binary artist. Axel Samano is a transgender/non-binary artist whose main focus is electronic music based in Butte, Montana. His/her productions include musical genres such as EDM, EBM, Rock, Industrial, and in his new production “Deux Ex Machina” he has also demonstrated his ability to transport the listener to another world via his epic musical novel: “The Storyteller.”

Axel released his first album back in 2015, The name of this album is “Thunderbolt”, which from the beginning has gotten rave reviews from critics, one of which described the album as ““intensely enigmatic with mysterious subject matter. The viewers and listeners encounter a vision of Axel Samano that is at once sympathetic, humorous and sometimes apocalyptic.”

To describe Axel Samano is a very complex task. The double CD Deux Ex Machina presents to the public two parallel visions of Axel: Deus Ex Machina: Antikythera is a CD where the listener will enjoy several musical genres such as EDM, EBM, Synth-pop, Future-pop and Rock. Each musical theme describes the impersonal experiences of Axel Samano. Trueseeker007 (talk) 20:56, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Not done: This list only includes entries with an existing Wikipedia article based on multiple independent sources. Please take a look at Wikipedia's general notability guideline, and see WP:WTAF for an essay with some additional advice. Thanks, ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 21:20, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2019

I suggest pirates Anne Bonny and Mary (Mark) Read be added to the list of non-binary folks. They were outlaw pirates in the 1700's who cross-dressed throughout their lives for safety and to be a part of pirate ship crews.

References

Nylitam (talk) 23:39, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: Crossdressing is not the same as having a non-binary gender identity. Levivich 23:29, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Dorian Electra

I would like to propose adding Dorian Electra to this list. They are a genderfluid person with an existing Wikipedia page. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorian_Electra) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lyrethehuman (talk • contribs) 13:59, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

References

 Done NiciVampireHeart 10:52, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Chris from Christine and the Queens

Chris [4] identifies as genderqueer. I propose that this person be added to the page.

References

𝐃𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐧𝐛𝐲 (talk) 14:21, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Wikidata and this list

Obviously this list is unsustainable. It serves a purpose as an experiment in Wikipedia for now, but in the longer term we need solid sourcing and reporting for many more people especially outside the English speaking world.

Wikidata can do all this natively, but is still an immature project. One set of challenges with Wikidata is in comparison to English Wikipedia, where Wikidata is more difficult to edit, patrol for vandalism, and for coordinating conversations. Things that Wikidata does very well are multilingual information sharing, keeping tables up to date, managing citations, and being reader-friendly while also endlessly expansible. Some things that neither English Wikipedia nor Wikidata currently can do is conclusively resolve social issues, like recognizing the consequences of putting various kinds of gender labels on everyone.

I want to share that d:Wikidata:WikiProject LGBT exists and will probably be the near future solution (2022?) to keeping this list up to date. When Wikidata is sorted to present this information, we ought to also be able to publish this article in 100+ languages and monitor all of it for vandalism.

I came to look at this article because of recent questions in Wikidata about how to model sex versus gender identity versus gender expression versus other gender concepts. Of course English Wikipedia still has these problems. Probably Wikidata and English Wikipedia can inform each other to get closer to the solution. If anyone has anything to contribute then start a conversation on the Wikidata LGBT+ talk page. Also there is meta:Wikimedia LGBT+, a global on-and-off-wiki community organization for promoting the development of wiki LGBT+ content. The issue of listing people by gender and sexuality is a regular topic in that organization, so anyone can join if they wish. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:19, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

RFC about Tilda Swinton

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Strong consensus to exclude for now. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 14:03, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

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Should Tilda Swinton be included in this list? JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 04:32, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

• No. The only reliable source that identifies her as gender fluid is a single article that only mentions her in passing, and makes no reference to any quote or interview from her to support that claim. She herself has said in an interview that while she doesn't really care about gender identity, she considers to "probably" be a woman. Unless/until she explicitly says that she's any gender other than a woman, we should leave her off this list. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 04:32, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
• Yes. JDDJS, you're clearly arguing in bad faith and requiring far higher standards for Swinton than for anyone else on the list, and you're constantly shifting the goalposts. She says herself, literally, that her gender identity changes. Nowhere does she say she's fine being identified as a woman; that's your own interpretation, based on motivated reasoning and your personal bias: even if she may actually be okay or fine with being called a woman, that wouldn't mean she isn't genderfluid; your argument is illogical, and you refuse to read the quotation "Yes, I'm probably a woman" in context: she qualifies it afterwards, by stating that it changes. The sources are plain as day. If you wish to contest the reliability of these sources, take it to RSN. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 04:42, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Just to save others some time, I believe this is the source that JDDJS and Florian are referring to above: [5]. The interviewer asks Swinton how she would define gender and she answers I would say, as with any transformative possibility, we can also play with gender. My idea of identity is that I’m not sure it really exists. I’ve examined this idea laterally since Orlando and other pieces of work that I’ve made, when I’ve played with the idea of transformative gender. For example, when you become a mother, do you lose everything? Can you actually retain a multi-faceted identity? That whole idea of transformation is at the heart of what I’m interested in as a performer and not least through the idea of gender. It’s a very personal matter. I can categorically say that as Orlando does in the film: Yes, I’m probably a woman. The interviewer asks her to clarify what she means by "probably" and she says I don’t know if I could ever really say that I was a girl – I was kind of a boy for a long time. I don’t know, who knows? It changes. Colin M (talk) 18:30, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
• Probably not - The standards for inclusion are pretty high. Having an RS directly stating as much, may not be enough. The subject in question would preferably on the record as self-identifying with the category in question, per Wikipedia:Categorization/Ethnicity,_gender,_religion_and_sexuality#Sexuality. NickCT (talk) 15:41, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Part of the disagreement here seems to be whether an individual can both identify as a woman and as genderfluid (nonbinary). One of the existing examples on the list, Rebecca Sugar, identifies as a woman but also identifies as nonbinary. The relevant part of the article is Sugar stating in an interview "I am also a non-binary woman". If this existing person on the list identifies as both a woman and nonbinary, then it does not make sense to exclude Tilda Swinton based on this premise alone.

𝐃𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐧𝐛𝐲 (talk) 08:04, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm not for excluding her because she can't be both non-binary and a woman. I'm excluding her because she has never self-identitied as non-binary. She said gender is complicated for her, but it would be original research to say that means she's non-binary. The only other source for her being non-binary is an article on non-binary actors that only very briefly mentions her being genderqueer and offers absolutely nothing to back that claim up. If an actor with Swinton's profile identified as non-binary, there likely would be more press coverage on it, but I couldn't find anything. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 19:06, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

• Probably not It's not unreasonable to read the quotes above and interpret that as non-binary gender, but the fact that we have to do any reading between the lines at all to get there makes me uncomfortable. I'd rather err on the side of caution and only include someone if they make an explicit and unambiguous statement that they're non-binary. For example, just to take the first person from the list (Courtney Act), we have a reference where they're quoted as saying "Well, I use the term genderqueer now". Colin M (talk) 19:14, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
• No per Colin M. We should require an explicit and unambiguous statement of non-binary identity to include someone on this list. Funcrunch (talk) 19:45, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
• No. Has Swinton specifically self-identified as non-binary? No. The banner is missing from the Talk page, but if it contains living persons the list falls under the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy and must adhere to it. There is no wiggle room about it. Pyxis Solitary yak 09:15, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

I added the talk page advisory and BLP banner necessary for this type of list. Pyxis Solitary yak 10:07, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

• Too soon. First, I think an effort should be made to have any content on this at Tilda Swinton. Then see if there is really compelling evidence of her identity in this way. Gleeanon409 (talk) 03:12, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

References

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Correct Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore's birth year

Was surprised to see the Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore's birthday is listed at 1948. This is erroneous. While her Wikipedia page returns a result saying her birthday is May 31st, 1973, via search engine results, it doesn't actually display as such in her page & I have yet to find a source that can corroborate this. However, her birth year can be fact-checked via this article on her website - first line of second paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.170.73.141 (talk) 12:36, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks for notifying. In the future, I recommend you use {{edit semi-protected}} to draw more attention to requests like this. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 14:06, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Change to "List of people with non-binary gender identities" description

I wanted to remove the last part of the following sentence: "Non-binary gender identities include agender and bigender, 'and are considered part of the transgender spectrum'.[1]"

A medically-reviewed article mentions that "people who are genderqueer may identify solely as genderqueer or as genderqueer and something else" while "transgender people can also identify as genderqueer and vice versa."

This seems like a subjective self-description and some people with non-binary people gender identities may not be comfortable describing themselves as transgender, even if some might. The emphasis on the above paragraph is that they "may" or "can" identify in certain ways.

Another article mentions that "Gender fluidity isn't the equivalent of transgenderism, in which a person's gender identity is different from the one assigned at birth."

In addition,

In addition, quite a few articles like these list the terms as being separate from each other, while another article mentions that "Some people who are gender non-conforming may identify as transgender, and others won't."

Personally, I think it would be better to remove the "and are considered part of the transgender spectrum" part of the last sentence. While non-binary/genderqueer people would most likely consider themselves to be somewhere on the gender spectrum, that doesn't necessarily mean that a good percentage of them would classify themselves under the transgender label. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aljay508 (talk • contribs) 00:20, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

References

Add Actor to list: JayR Tinaco

Jtina2 (talk) 23:50, 7 July 2020 (UTC) Add actor JayR Tinaco to this list. Name: JayR Tinaco Birth Year: 1989 Nationality: Australian Gender Identity: Non-Binary Notable As: Actor Reference:

 Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:05, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2020

Please add Vico Ortiz to the List of people with non-binary gender identities. Name: Vico Ortiz Birth year: 1991 Nationality: Puerto Rican Gender identity: Non-Binary Notable as: Actor, Drag King, Activist Reference: https://www.ladygunn.com/people/vico-ortiz-talks-politics-language-and-pride/

!-- Write your request ABOVE this line and do not remove the tildes and curly brackets below. --> Puertoricaninja (talk) 19:07, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. Ortiz is not notable by Wikipedia's standards (WP:BIO). Entries should have an article before being added. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 12:48, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

The Term "Actress"

The term "actress" is used several times in this article, despite the fact that "actress" refers to "female performers in films, plays, radio and TV" and none of these people identify as female. The term "actor" has long been interchangeable for all genders and sexes and should be used instead. Calling these performers actresses is undermining their identities and replacing that term with "actor" would be a simple and meaningful edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by India..edgy (talk • contribs) 04:36, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I agree. I'll change them to actor right now in fact. Historyday01 (talk) 14:41, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

While I'm fine with replacing actress with actor, I just want to point out that some people do identify as being both non-binary/genderfluid and female and prefer the use of female terms to make terms. Since actor is generally considered gender neutral now, I'm fine with it being used here though instead of actress. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 15:48, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

That's a good point. Feel free to change any of the terms in accordance with what the people on the list identify with. I think the word "actor" is only used eight times in the list. --Historyday01 (talk) 19:45, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

To add: Gigi Goode

To add: Gigi Goode ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:18, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Done Added yesterday at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_people_with_non-binary_gender_identities&oldid=984499314 --JNat megaman (talk) 13:43, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2021

I suggest adding activist, filmmaker/film scholar, Dominick Evans who is non-binary.

Reference: Dominick Evans Dillbert8596 (talk) 05:15, 5 January 2021 (UTC) Dillbert8596 (talk) 05:15, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done Evans clearly identifies as non-binary. [6][7] Jack Frost (talk) 09:33, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2020

add Elliot Page to the "Non-binary, genderqueer and genderfluid identities" list. 2A00:23C5:F203:7401:3123:E1B7:F2EF:5BE (talk) 18:37, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

And here Elliot's tweet as a primary source, along with this Variety article as a secondary source. --Historyday01 (talk) 20:07, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Another editor has made this change already. RudolfRed (talk) 19:43, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Page's entry was removed. It's really confusing when highly official looking RS like GLAAD and Variety describe Page as non-binary, but his coming out letter and the letter from his management only say "trans" and never mention "non-binary", nor do any of his tweets or other personal comments I'm aware of even mention the term "non-binary", but he's also never challenged the reports describing him as non-binary – nor clarified the issue (for example by pointing out that he's deliberately refused to provide further details). --Florian Blaschke (talk) 22:07, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Specifically, the update to the GLAAD article has a quotation from a Yahoo story which says: "The extensive guide — which Page signed off on, according to his longtime manager, and shared to his Instagram story — [...]", with the guide referred to clearly being the style guide in the GLAAD article itself, which explicitly refers to Page as non-binary. And Page signed off on the guide, and shared it on his own Instagram account, thus implicitly affirming both the style guide and that he is non-binary. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 22:18, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

sorting by given name

Screenshot of this article's table, actively sorted by "Name"

The table sorts the "Name" column by individuals' given names. Is this intentional? It's counter-intuitive, if so. — Fourthords | =Λ= | 19:35, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

You mean by last name? Alphabetically? That seems to make sense to me. Alphabetical organization is usually done by last name. --Historyday01 (talk) 19:39, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

No?  Currently, this article's "Name" column will sort by given name. That's very ususual. Typically, such tables and columns are sorted by surname. So, is this article's table's functionality intentional? If so, why? — Fourthords | =Λ= | 19:45, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Not sure. I had the impression it was done alphabetically by surname not given name, but if its not, than yeah, it should be by surname. --Historyday01 (talk) 19:49, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

@Fourthords, I looked at your image and you make a good point. It seems that the table, when it isn't sorted, is alphabetical (or mostly alphabetical). I'm not sure why it sorts by given name. It seems that all the name pages do this though, as organizing the List of bisexual people (T–Z), List of bisexual people (N–S), List of pansexual people, and List of LGBT sportspeople by name produces a similar result (there are a bunch of lists but there is no consistency as to use charts or bulleted lists, which makes my head hurt). It seems I avoided it with my past edits to the under construction/needs work List of fictional non-binary characters page, but that may be because the characters do not have last names. However, the page of LGBT billionaires has this code: [{{] sort [|] name [|] wikipedia page [}}] (I've put brackets around the code) If that could be applied to every entry on the list, maybe then it would be organized correctly? Its worth a try. --Historyday01 (talk) 02:43, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Unsure of how to properly sort new entry of Public Universal Friend, as well as center birth date of 1752–requesting help Eggventura (talk) 16:25, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Is there a list for they/them people?

Since some people use singular they as auxiliary pronoun, for example, without being necessarily nonbinary, such as Melanie Martinez and Halsey (they are both she/they), and also that not all non-binary people use themself pronouns.

Or pronoun non-conforming people in general, including other gender neutral pronouns (one/one's/oneself, ze, xe…), crosspronouns (hesbians, shegays)… Such as Leslie Feinberg.

If there isn't, can there be? Kautr (talk) 03:14, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

I’m just gonna say this non-binary is bullshit in general.

Non-binary in itself has no meaning, because gender itself is merely a human invention.

Fuck I interact with non-binary people who go by she/her. CycoMa (talk) 03:24, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Yikes from @CycoMa, in denying people literally exist, that's messed up. @Kautr, I think it wouldn't make sense to have a list for people that use they/them pronouns specifically. If someone notable uses they/them pronouns or not, they should still be on this list, if they, as the lead of the article states, "identify with a gender that is outside of the gender binary (i.e. non-binary or genderqueer)." So this whole discussion is misguided on many levels and will, likely, lead to further confusion. I would say that gender non-conforming people would fit into this list already. Historyday01 (talk) 04:42, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Historyday01, so a subsection could be plausible if there are already a few of notably GNC/PNC people that aren't publicly non-binary/genderqueer/third(/other)-gendered?

I suppose? I think you might need more consensus than just me saying its fine, as this page gets a lot of traffic and edits on here. Historyday01 (talk) 16:45, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2021

Demi Lovato - Non-Binary (they/them) - Singer, Songwriter, Actor. 212.44.18.71 (talk) 09:17, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Source: [8] Jack Frost (talk) 09:49, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:08, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2021 (2)

Remove Megan Rohrer 1980 American Transgender Pastor and activist Transgender is not non binary 71.181.116.19 (talk) 14:54, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The source presented indicates that this person identifies as trans and also as non-binary. It is not up to us to decide whether a person's usage of a label comports with our understanding of it. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:43, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Can we add Jessie Mei Li?

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2021

Remove 'Laganja Estranja' entry in the table. She has now come out as a transgender woman and so is not appropriate for this article (https://ew.com/tv/rupauls-drag-race-laganja-estranja-comes-out-trans/) Sweffins (talk) 23:58, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:25, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2021

Please change “Chris Crocker” to “Cara Cunningham”. Her own page was been updated to reflect her new name and the link on this page redirects to the new page anyway. 69.196.163.213 (talk) 05:11, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:02, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Grant Morrison should be added

Comic book writer Grant Morrison came out as non-binary and genderqueer last year. https://www.mondo2000.com/2020/10/26/grant-morrison-surveys-the-situation-in-the-age-of-horus/ https://www.cbr.com/the-green-lantern-grant-morrison-non-binary/ --195.155.168.177 (talk) 21:23, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

I think this got missed as the request didn't use the template. Anyway, I've added them now. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:14, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Harry Styles shouldn't be in this list

Singer Harry Styles does not explicitly identify as genderfluid. The linked article states that Styles wears gender-fluid clothing, and other sources have corroborated this. Yet that alone doesn't determine his identity.

--2601:588:8500:2340:1563:DAE8:48D6:97E0 (talk) 20:52, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree. The headline on the reference is "Harry Styles has once again opened up about his views on being gender fluid" which sounds like it fits the bill but when I actually read the reference it is very thin stuff that totally fails to support that headline. It seems clickbaity and I'm not sure that the source is reliable at all. Nothing in his article says that he has a non-binary gender. Unless he has stated otherwise, we should not assume that his non-conformity in outward gender expression is indicative of a non-binary gender. People of any gender can wear whatever they like, whether that conforms with expectations for their gender or not. I'm going to remove him from the list. If anybody has a reliable source that really does support his inclusion here then please feel free to put him back and to use that as the reference. --DanielRigal (talk) 23:47, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

I tend to agree. All of the sources I could find (including the one in this list, and those in his article) describe his fashion as genderfluid, but clearly state he personally does not identify as genderfluid. I have therefore removed him from the list; if anyone has a better source, do feel free to provide it and revert. --Jack Frost (talk) 23:48, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

And DanielRigal says it better than I did! Thanks, --Jack Frost (talk) 23:50, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Ellar Coltrane

Should Ellar Coltrane be added? In an article by TexasMonthly, Ellar is quoted as saying they're not really a man, and identifying as such felt to them like "playing a character". They also use they/them pronouns. EDIT: Nevermind, I've already edited them in. KawaiiManiac (talk) 04:17, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 November 2021

Reb Xiberras Maltese Non Binary Notable as LGBT, Human Rights and Trans Activist, Counselor, Trainer 77.25.155.87 (talk) 07:58, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: They must be notable enough for a Wikipedia article. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:45, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Agender author for your list? https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/12/30/ely-percy-trans-joy-duck-feet/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elypercy (talk • contribs) 18:01, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm afraid not, at least not for now. The list is only for people who already have articles about them. If you ever do get an article, and it seems perfectly plausible that you might, then feel free to remind us to add you then. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:19, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2022

Change "Owen J Hurcombe" to "Owen J Hurcum" to correct spelling error in their name BangorFan1896 (talk) 23:30, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done Storchy (talk) 00:04, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

GGDG

I have heard that GGDG, the author of Cucumber Quest is non gender binary. Is that so? 2601:195:C081:250:20DF:B986:EDE5:9BE7 (talk) 23:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

We don't have an article about them so I don't think we know the answer to that. They would not be eligible for inclusion on the list unless they had an article about them anyway. --DanielRigal (talk) 02:05, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Oh

2601:195:C081:250:2963:33E4:123F:BCEC (talk) 16:00, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Then how about this? Gigi D.G. 2601:195:C081:250:6865:AC0B:66B8:857D (talk) 12:45, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Quinn

Quinn is a highly accomplished individual in their sport, having won Olympic Gold and had many accomplishments in their professional club career. Was surprised not to find them on the list already, I recommend inclusion. Radagast (talk) 18:01, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Need to call it somewhere

There are more non-binary people now than in the past and there comes a point when it is not useful to keep listing people, because it is commonplace, and because a Wikipedia article does not have space to list everyone.

I propose framing this article to present people born before 1995, modeled after List of websites founded before 1995. I think the intent of choosing this year frames the article as people who were non-binary before there was popular understanding of the term "non-binary". Bluerasberry (talk) 11:15, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

I originally wasn't sure about this idea, but if this was implemented, only 15 people would be removed, so most of the entries would remain, so it honestly wouldn't have a big impact, in that way, on the existing entries. So, this idea makes sense as a way to more narrowly focus the page, since, yes, Wikipedia does not have a space to list everyone. Currently it is limited to "notable people" but perhaps that is too broad? Historyday01 (talk) 13:00, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

If this list gets trimmed then List of transgender people certainly should as well. As a non-binary trans person myself, I consider it a good thing that being openly trans or non-binary is now common enough that these lists are getting to an unmanageable size. (To clarify, I mean both lists should indeed be trimmed down) Funcrunch (talk) 16:41, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't like this idea of a strict date based cut off but I agree about the lists getting too big. Can we consider a modification to the proposal? I think it is fair to say that all notable non-binary people before a certain date are worth listing purely by virtue of how rare it was for a person to be publicly known as being non-binary in the past. Rather than a strict cut off date, I think that we should have tighter inclusion criteria for more recent people. A couple of good examples of people who definitely should remain on this list despite being born after 1995 are Owen Hurcum (due to their achievements as a politician and office holder) and Dorian Electra (due to their non-binary gender being such a major factor in their art). These two strike me as exceptionally notable. Maybe some of the others are too. I'm not sure exactly how to formulate the inclusion criteria for this but I think we want to keep people who are very highly notable, people who have achieved a significant first for a non-binary person and people who are primarily and widely known because of their non-binary gender.

Maybe we could drop the table format? It takes up a lot more space than a list although maybe the columns are useful?

Also, unless there is some rule against it, I think we should list the category Category:People with non-binary gender identities in the See also section and make sure that anybody being removed from this list is added into the correct place under that, if not already present. If anybody wants to see literally all the notable non-binary people then that would be the place for them to go and we should help them to find it. DanielRigal (talk) 17:47, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2022

<destiny is not non binary, he once said it as a joke as he doesn’t believe in more than two genders. His point was someone can just say they are non binary and that’s it. And that’s stupid--> 2601:6C4:200:7C20:AC31:D8FD:CCA0:E081 (talk) 07:22, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2023

I would like to add to the list of non-binary people myself, an award-winning newspaper columnist in Alaska who is publishing in the Juneau Empire (the daily newspaper for Alaska's capital city) a biweekly column on my transgender transition. My name is Jane Agnes Hale, and my columns may be accessed online at juneauempire.com Jane Agnes Hale (talk) 23:49, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Jane, unfortunately with only your own writings and one KTOO article that I could find, you don't appear to be notable enough. --Pokelova (talk) 00:09, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2023

Change Bilal Baig birth year from unkown to 1995 DeweyTheCat2014 (talk) 14:07, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

 No source. Do you have a source for this? Cocobb8 (💬 talk to me! • ✏️ my contributions) 16:13, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2023

Add "Sara Ramirez" DOB 31/08/1975 Gender: Non binary Actor, singer and activist for LGBTQIA+ rights. 82.1.227.216 (talk) 06:28, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. EvergreenFir (talk) 07:06, 3 December 2023 (UTC)