Talk:List of international trips made by Antony Blinken as United States Secretary of State

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Needs Citations to official Joint Statements, and to post-meeting Analysis[edit]

Nearly all the citations for these meetings are of the official State.gov schedule published the day prior to the meeting by US State Dept spokesperson Ned price. This is not bad, but not enough. State.gov also publishes the joint statements made by Blinken and by the foreign minister at the end of each trip. These are usually published on the State.gov site shortly after the event occurs.

I added this: "Secretary Antony J. Blinken And Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett After Their Meeting". State.gov.

Pseud 14 has removed Blinken's and Bennett's joint statement claiming it is "clutter". NO, a joint statement with a foreign head of state is not clutter. That is not an accurate characterization, nor is it an adequate or honest edit summary. This is either a WP:Tendentious mischaracterization, or mere incompetence. Not sure which, but in any case, I will restore this, for the second time now.

Please help me add similar citations to official statements, US and foreign media analysis for this and every other of Blinken's meetings with foreign ministers and heads of state. These are relevant to this article, to myself, and to many other readers interested in US foreign policy and international relations, because WP:Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia. It is not merely a cosmetic list as the editor seems to think; Blinken is not merely some pop singer taking a world tour.

I ask other editors to help me add citations to the joint statements for all the other meetings listed on this article, so that readers like myself can click through and study them.

Since Pseud 14 deletes without using the undo, revert operation, I do not receive a notification. Therefore I ask other editors to watch this page and prevent this disruption in the future. Thank you, Jaredscribe (talk) 04:34, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Jaredscribe: As the editor who expanded this list since Blinken's tenure began, and one who continues to do so, it's unnecessary to include a read out of (joint) statements for every foreign trip. This article is not an exhaustive list of every foreign policy meeting, ergo the name "international trips made" modelled from similar existing lists that provides an overview and not a public statement. (please see Powell's trips, Kerry's trips) This is NOT the US State Department's page, nor is this a venue to provide an ANALYSIS. A summary style description that is succinct is suited for this entry, not a dissection of every foreign policy positions. And FWIW, there is no need to name every Tom, Dick, and Harry that he's met nor do we need a listing of every foreign minister present in a summit. That's what the citations are for — to provide in detail what transpired. If you continue to insist, as I've noticed you do, as I've seen concerns of previous run-ins with other editors as well, I will take this up to ANI. Pseud 14 (talk) 05:23, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Responding to each assertion individually.
0. RE: "The editor who expanded this list since Blinken's tenure began, and continues to .." ANSWER: Thank you for contributing. I really mean that, in spite of what I'm about to say.
1. RE: "its unnecessary to include a [read out] of joint statements for every foreign trip". ANSWER: I proposed to give LINKS to the joint statements and LINKS to press articles giving analysis, because this would be WP:Encyclopedic. "Disection" wasn´t proposed; and that is a straw man. And although it is not strictly necessary for an enyclopedia to even exist, it is helpful and advantageous that it does exist, freely and online for anyone to read and edit, That something is "unnecessary" is not an argument against inclusion, and anyway, who is this editor to know what the rest of the world needs or doesn´t need? In an earlier edit summary he said, "No one cares about..", as if he knows everyone in the world and has sufficient insight into their inner thought life to determine what each of them truly feels and wants. This presumption of omniscience is basically fallacious and absurd. Moreover, it is and demonstrably false, because for most students of foreign policy and international relations, these joint statements manifestly ARE NECESSARY or at least ARE VERY HELPFUL, which is the standard we ought to be applying anyway. And these readers are the primary audience of this article. But did I really have to argue this? Is it not obvious?
2. RE: "There is no need to name every Tom, Dick, and Harry" ANSWER: The foreign ministers of Morocco, UAE, Bahrain, and Egypt (mention of whom he deleted from the article) are not "Tom, Dick, and Harry" any more than they are mere "clutter" as claimed in his edit summary. The editor has not given an argument, merely an appeal to ridicule, and has done it twice, tendentiously. Taken together, they amounts to a contempt for not only the people of those countries, but for Arabs generally. Or maybe just for Arabs who associate with Jews. I'm not sure which particular species of ethnic prejudice this is, but in any case it is basically ignorant. The editor ought to be ashamed of himself and retract it.
3. RE: Threat to report me to the ANI. ANSWER: If you feel that preventing me from responding will help your content argument, report me. Appeal to wikicrats, if you think that blocking me will improve the outcomes of your reasoning process, whose errors are now compounded ad baculum. There do appear to be conduct problems here, in addition to the mere content dispute.
4. RE: "This is not the place for ... " (links to primary sources and notable analysis on the events listed) ANSWER: Its Not? I thought it was. Why not? "Because I said so" is the substance of his reply. But actually WP:Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia, as previously mentioned. Editor has not acknowledged this, merely issued a decree attempting to nullify it. The only reason given is the precedent of similar articles from last decade. And by the way, consensus can change and the encyclopedia can improve, and it should. "This is not the place for .." Says who? Does this editor WP:OWN this article? I certainly don't own it, and neither does any other editor here. An encyclopedia is a compendium of knowledge. We shouldn´t abdicate that merely for the sake of someone's aesthetic preferences and arbitrary decree.
I request comments from uninvolved editors who are knowledgeable in the subject matter of foreign policy and international relations to please adjudicate this. Regards, ~~~~ Jaredscribe (talk) 09:25, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Map out of date[edit]

At least Niger and Ethiopia are missing from the map 159.196.13.99 (talk) 04:14, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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