Talk:List of governors of California before 1850

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Free and Sovereign State?[edit]

During the 1836 to 1846 Mexico was not a federal republic was central republic with providence and not states. California was territory under the Mexican Republic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MGTZM (talk • contribs) 17:34, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm wondering about this, too. Alvarado's 1836 revolt intended to achieve some sort of "free and sovereign" status but, as far as I can tell, it didn't happen. Alvarado himself was later officially appointed governor by Mexico City. Anyway, I tagged the section title, and hope a source will be provided. WCCasey (talk) 06:40, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Disputed[edit]

The August 12, 2014 edits by user 204.130.172.16 are disputed, so I'm placing a tag on the article until these questions are resolved. All of the changes in that edit are disputed and, one way or the other, sources need to be provided. WCCasey (talk) 19:20, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also disputed is the section "Republic 1846-1850". The Bear Flag Revolt lasted less than a month and did not establish any kind of government before it was subsumed by the 1846-48 Mexican-American War. California was under US military occupation during the war, and remained under nominal military authority until statehood. WCCasey (talk) 05:55, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Citations[edit]

I see that the disputed information now bear citations.

Here is some more information. Gov. Alvarado and the Assembly did declare California "free and sovereign," legislate a Californian flag, and ratify a republican Constitution. They also chased the Mexican military out of the country, but then let them back in went they felt California could not defend itself by itself. Like Quebec in the 20th century, California used the threat of secession and also its great distance from Mexico to secure self-rule while tolerating military sponsorship. When the opportunity arose, California realigned itself with the US without complaining when a few Americans boasted of conquest. If the period after 1836 was one of de facto independence under Mexican military dominance, the period after 1846 was similar, but under American military dominance. Thus, in that period California was independent of Mexico, but neither a US Territory or State. What was it? A republic under American military occupation.

The problem is that although Bancroft's team assembled a massive bibliographic enterprise on California history, a proper work on state history has never been done. Modern histories do no better, so the important questions of California history must be answered by consulting various published titles and cobbling it all together. Wyeson 00:58, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Cobbling together" is not the job of Wikipedia editors. Nor is it up to us to decide that the published histories got it wrong. This is an encyclopedia and, when statements are questioned, reliable verifiable published scholarly sources (not editors' opinions) have to be cited (WP:SOURCE), (WP:RELIABLE). I agree that, in many cases, there are better sources for California history than 130-year-old Bancroft, so read some of them and cite them to support your statements. It's absolutely not true that "a proper work on state history has never been done", and contentious arguments will always be questioned - sourced or not. In that case, it must be made clear that scholars do not agree, giving equal weight to competing arguments while maintaining a neutral point-of-view (WP:NPOV). WCCasey (talk) 23:14, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No reliable sources have yet been cited for claims that there was ever "Sovereignty" or a "Republic". One old article in the "Overland Monthly", while interesting, does not constitute verifiable sourcing (WP:Verify). These claims are original research not supported by reliable sources (just as they were in the O.M. article). WCCasey (talk) 06:45, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reader beware[edit]

The sections "Sovereignty, 1836–1846" and "Republic, 1846–1850" remain almost entirely false. There was no "sovereignty" - there was a short-lived rebellion. There was no "republic" - there was a US military governor. WCCasey (talk) 19:02, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The myth that there was an independent Alta California following Alvarado's 1836 rebellion has been perpetuated mainly by one editor, User talk:Wighson. Editors concerned with accurate history should join me in urging Wighson to stop these distortions. WCCasey (talk) 20:32, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The "independent California" editors have been busy again. "Neutrality disputed" tag added. WCCasey (talk) 17:23, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

OR, POV issues removed[edit]

Attempts to reintroduce the previous false narratives will be reverted. WCCasey (talk) 07:13, 24 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As promised, the fake history has again been removed. WCCasey (talk) 20:56, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

My removal of fake history has been reverted (without explanation) by a non-registered user at 172.91.216.239. The reverted article version that removed fake history can be found at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Governors_of_California_before_1850&oldid=816660616. Please help protect this article and others against fake California history. WCCasey (talk) 01:11, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

België[edit]

België u Is coeupr mijn vader was dokter in de scheikunde ik heb veel gezien top maar dit kan niet omzeterij triljarden zijn verdwenen ik kàgeen talen ik heb een ongeval gehad dat ik 7 was sorry maar ben ok van geest dank u 178.51.78.180 (talk) 11:45, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]