Talk:List of anime and manga conventions/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

DC con

Does the con in Washington D.C. need to list that it's in DC, since Washington D.C. just one city and not a state? Kidcorona 07:01, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Washington, D.C. is not considered, for Constitutional purposes, a state. The District of Columbia is a city. However, for most general, non-governmental purposes, it is also considered a state, since the capital of the country is defined differently. The list already shows Katsucon in Washington, D.C. This is sort of ironic as the convention has moved from Virginia Beach, Virginia to Washington, D.C. to Arlington, Virginia to Baltimore, Maryland to Arlington, Virginia and finally back to Washington, D.C. What a road trip! -Animesouth 09:29, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I think it's fine saying "in DC" for consistency's sake with the other entries. --PatrickD 15:06, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Census Regionalization

What is the reasoning for using the regions set by the U.S. Census Bureau? -Animesouth 04:25, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

1. Because the state by state was a bit absurd and most only listed one convention per state. This made the the section longer then it needed to be and gave the US section undue weight because of it.
2. The US Census Bureau was choses because it provided a good neutral bases to organized the conventions on 4 regions and 9 divisions instead of states. The map of the regions and devisions can be found in this PDF on the US Census Bureau's website.

Now, can you explain the bases of why you changed the regions? Because frankly, it appears that your divisions are arbitrary. --Farix (Talk) 19:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

The US Census Bureau uses that particular division because it fits their economic demographic models. It does not serve that purpose here. An approximation of the US Census Bureau standard regional office divisionwas used in this case. It created a nice separation between the crowded number of anime conventions on the eastern seaboard. This way, one region doesn't have 2 conventions while the region right next to it has 11. -Animesouth 05:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Given that the regional office divisions are named after the cities in which the offices are located, that wouldn't be an acceptable approach. --Farix (Talk) 20:54, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Please stop making red herring arguments. This is a straw man fallacy - the cities were never used as division names. A derivative of the regional names that were originally listed was used. There has yet been a reason presented to use an economic model for a geopolitical purpose - another case of a red herring, as this is an attempt at shifting the burden of proof. -Animesouth 01:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll let the US Census Bureau's own page speak for itself, which does use the cities as division names. If you don't like who the US Census Bureau divided up the US, then take it up with them. Or are you simply opposing the orginization along the US Census Bureau official map of regions and division just to be opposing me? --Farix (Talk) 02:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Attendance

During the night, an IP editor included the attendance for many of the convention on the articles. While this was a good faith edit on the part of the editor, my view is that this information will make the list harder to maintain. It's already difficult enough to keep the convention articles reasonably up to date, but this only adds to the problem. --Farix (Talk) 13:25, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Redlinks

Sometimes, I do which people will read the lead section before adding Xcon to the list. Almost all of the conventions that have been added have not accompanying article, which is still a criteria of the list. And people still keep adding ConnectiCon even though it is clearly a multigenre convention and belongs on the List of multigenre conventions instead of this list. --Farix (Talk) 03:46, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

It's The Internet...you expect people to actually read before they type?  ;) --PatrickD (talk) 18:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

It would save a lot of grief if they did. ^^; --Farix (Talk) 21:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Comic Con?

I've been to Comic Con several times and from what I remember a significant percentage of exhibits were anime (not comic). Is this enough of a reason to include it in the article? Wikifan12345 (talk) 01:25, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I think it's got to call itself an anime convention. Kopf1988 (talk) 23:43, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

The San Diego Comic-Con started as a comic convention and over time slowly morphed into a multi-genre convention. Since this list is about conventions that focus primarily on anime and manga instead of conventions with an anime and/or manga track (no mater how significant), the San Diego Comic-Con does't qualify. --Farix (Talk) 15:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Geek.Kon

Just like ConnectiCon isn't listed because it is a multi-genre convention instead of an anime convention, the same goes for Geek.Kon. --Farix (Talk) 01:42, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Under this logic shouldn't most of the cons on this list be removed as they often contain gaming programs that are not directly anime related? In truth there really is no such thing as a pure con since most if not all cons contain one or various aspects that delve into other interests. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geek4444 (talk • contribs) 21:05, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

All of the conventions on the list advertise themselves as anime conventions instead of multi-genre conventions. --Farix (Talk) 21:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Even AnimeCentral in Chicago, has RPG and Video Game rooms. Geek.kon's attendees are primarily anime cosplayers and anime fans. The anime viewing room is about 150 person capacity, while their Sci-Fi viewing is around 50ish. The con itself was an idea that came from the minds of the UW-Madison Anime Club. To be honest, most of their sci-fi viewing is 80s cartoons.

Anime Central sells itself as an anime convention and not as a multi-genre convention. Geek.Kon, however, is clearly selling itself as a multi-genre convention instead of an anime convention. --Farix (Talk) 00:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

If you look at the link for multi-genre conventions, it redirects you to Sci-Fi Conventions, which Geek.kon is definitely not focusing on. Based on the above alone, Geek.kon should be considered an anime focused convention. -- Ran-san (talk) 01:17, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

The multi-genre conventions list should be restored and the Sci-Fi conventions list should have all of the non-sci-fi/multi-genre conventions stripped off of it. I don't know what they are doing over there, but things are a real mess. --Farix (Talk) 00:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Seems they finally straitened up their act over there and removed all of the non-sci-fi entries. I've restored the milti-genre list, but it really needs cleaned up. --Farix (Talk) 00:56, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Foreign language Wikilinks

Given the generally lower standards of notability and inclusion on foreign language Wikis, I'm proposing that wikilinks to articles on the foreign language Wikis be removed if there is no corresponding English language article. If there is a corresponding English language article, then the link will be redirected to it. --Farix (Talk) 12:54, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I concur, it's a good idea. Kopf1988 (talk) 15:40, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Any others for or against? --Farix (Talk) 12:46, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Anime Convention template

I just wanted to bring some attention to Template_talk:Anime_conventions_in_North_America, which I feel would be redundant with this page...if it even bothered to list more than Californian and Canadian conventions. That template should probably be deleted. --PatrickD (talk) 22:05, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

It was a merge of {{Anime conventions in California}} and {{Anime conventions in Canada}}. You can see the discussion here. --Farix (Talk) 14:28, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. Now I'm confused how the consensus became "merge" when there didn't seem to be a definite consensus on that. *shrug* Oh well. --PatrickD (talk) 21:30, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Ushicon still EXISTS!

Hey guys. I do not know why ushicon is in the "Defunct and hiatus conventions" list, as Ushicon still exists.

Its just going under the name of Chibi Ushicon and will be happening in 2010.

Heres a link: http://www.ushicon.com/

Could someone please fix this, on the main article page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.60.224 (talk) 16:11, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Listing

Listing of all Anime conventions are good for everybody, especially for those living locally to give them opportunity to attend. Wikipedia encourage editors to be body, open minded and inclusive. Ucla90024 (talk) 16:52, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

It's also a violation of WP:NOT, specifically WP:NOTDIRECTORY. This list a navigational list of Wikipedia articles, if there is no article then ether the entry needs to be removed or the editor who wants to add the convention to the list should write the article first about the convention. Not stop stalking me. --Farix (Talk)

There are also external links, to help provide content so expansive that can't otherwise be included in an encyclopedic article. Kopf1988 (talk) 20:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Multi genre conventions

While I understand it is useful to list conventions which focus exclusively or primarily on anime, wouldn't it also be good to mention (separately if needed) the multi-genre conventions such as Fan Expo or Conneticon? In some cases, even a sub-aspect of a very large convention may eclipse smaller conventions that focus exclusively on anime. Tyciol (talk) 19:51, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

There is a separate list for multigenre conventions. This list is for conventions that focus anime and manga. —Farix (t | c) 22:07, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Noteworthiness

What's a good way of establishing what cons are noteworthy? Like, for cons in Ontario Canada for example, I see a few besides AN listed here so is it based on income or the amount of people who attend or how many years it has been running? Tyciol (talk) 19:59, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

A convention is presumed noteworthy if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the convention and satisfies the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article. This is stated in the footnote. —Farix (t | c) 22:08, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

What constitutes "significant" coverage? --Godfoster (talk) 11:45, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

There is not set threshold, but it is enough coverage that will allow an article to survive WP:AFD. However, this list is exclusively for anime and manga conventions. Multi-genre conventions have their own list. —Farix (t | c) 12:56, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, it seems I may have misunderstood the phrase. It appears that it was meant to be "significant coverage":

""Significant coverage" means that sources address the subject directly in detail, and no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention but it need not be the main topic of the source material."

So it appears to have nothing to do with the quantity of coverage so much as the depth of the coverage. Would you agree? --Godfoster (talk) 13:47, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure what you are aiming for, but WP:NOTE is what is being refereed to. If a convention has received significant coverage, it should have its own article. And for that, it needs to pass the notability guidelines. —Farix (t | c) 13:58, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm aware that a convention needs to pass the notability guidelines to have its own article, so I was asking for clarification on the notability guidelines. Quoted from WP:NOTE, "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." I wanted to know what "significant" meant. Upon further reading in WP:NOTE, it seems that "significant" did not mean "a large quantity of". I thought "significant" was some arbitrary quantity of coverage, which is what prompted the original question. --Godfoster (talk) 08:45, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

New Zealand Conventions

We are definatley missing Armageddon, and Dunedin's Anime Event from 2009. Armageddon, plus Doujin Overload i would assume. I'm friends with afew of the cosplayers so i do not beleieve i have indepenent view lol. (Plus i've met bill who runs the conventions) - Any clue how these wonderful additions can be added? XxReikoxX - The Visual Asia Geek (talk) 21:56, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

If the conventions have received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the convention and has an article on Wikipedia, then it may be listed. However, simply adding a convention without such evidence is only going to result in the convention being removed from the list. This isn't suppose to be a comprehensive list and we do have to be careful about WP:NOT, particularly WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:LINKFARM —Farix (t | c) 22:32, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

List's inclusion criteria

Was a true and proper criteria for the addition of conventions ever created for this page? I apologies for the re-addition of Fandemonium to the Anime page which has since been removed. Fandemonium gets classified as an Anime convention so often due to over half its attendees and content being Anime related, so I thought here was a good place for it. I have since added it to the multi-con list however that list is apparently defunct now as its been merged to some mega combined convention list, which I personally feel poorly serves the purpose of Wikipedia. I also added Anime Oasis to the Anime list which was also removed, it is Idaho's 1st and oldest Anime convention, so I thought it would be a worthwhile and meritus addition to the list. Was it removed because it does not have a Wiki page of its own or because it does not follow the 2-2-3 rule as it has under a thousand attendees or for some other reason? I just want to make sure that my additions to this page are useful ones. -- --Borneo1337 (talk) 06:51, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

The 2-2-3 rule has long since gone because several other editors stated that it was an arbitrary standard. Now the standard for inclusion on the list is Wikipedia's own notability guideline. If Anime Oasis has received such coverage, and has an article showing that coverage, then it can be included. Because various IPs were spamming the list with non-notable conventions or external links, WP:WTAF is being enforced. As for the "combined convention list", it has long since gone as it was turning into a linkfarm. You can see Talk:List of science fiction conventions for the details about how it returned to focusing only on sci-fi cons. While there were a few attempts to merge this list into that "combined convention list", my opposition to the merge help keep this list in existence and eventually led to the breakup of the "combined convention list". —Farix (t | c) 12:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for answering that so quickly. While I have had an account on here for awhile now I am rather new to actual editing on Wiki and didn't want to make a mess of things so felt it best to ask before I proceeded further. I will go review the notability guideline again as it has been awhile since I last read them. I am quite glad the combined list was shot down, as having been an attendee at most of the types of fan conventions listed on Wiki, on staff of half of the types and chairman of a multi-con I can attest to the fact that they are all very different animals and should not be lumped together. The multi-con list however does not reflect that its still an active list in its discussion notes, the last post therein states that the list has been merged and that the multi-con list is to be no longer utilized. I will go add a correction to that. Thank you once again for the information. --Borneo1337 (talk) 16:11, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

The multi-genre convention doesn't have anyone willing to maintain it. It uses the same inclusion criteria as this and the sci-fi convention list does, so it shouldn't be to hard. But I'm willing to bet that there are conventions listed there that probably don't belong or multi-genre conventions that there are articles for, but are not included in the list. —Farix (t | c) 19:14, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

My apologies for being a bit of newbie at this, but how does one go about maintaining a page on Wiki? By just choosing to edit it and keep it updated or is there a process beyond that? I am more than willing to maintain the multi-genre convention page if there is no one currently doing so. --- Borneo1337 (talk) 13:48, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

You can start by placing the article/list on you watchlist. This allows you to keep track of any changes made to the article by other editors. I keep this list on my watchlist, which is how I spot changes and review them to see if they meet the list's criteria. —Farix (t | c) 14:50, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Table

Move everything into a sortable table is a very good idea. Bband11th (talk) 21:29, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Apparently Farix disagrees and has forced his opinion on everyone by reverting the table. Also (to Farix), including the links does not violate WP:LINKFARM as it's done for similar lists all over on Wikipedia. If you read it, it applies to External links sections, not to List articles. As the list was sortable, it makes things much easier to find things as well as do comparisons if you're interested in such a thing. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:57, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Semi protect

Id recommend this be semi protected as I see alot of reverts and undoings made in the past week with this article. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:12, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

The more additions of conventions without articles and off-site links I see, the more I think this is a really good idea. --PatrickD (talk) 20:44, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Indefinite simi-protection will never happen. An article has to have a long history of vandalism with repeated short-term protections before any long term protections are put in place. It would be better to as for pending changes. That way, the edits won't be immediately viewable until they are accepted by a reviewer. —Farix (t | c) 22:20, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, seems that the trial period for pending changes is over now. —Farix (t | c) 22:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Defining "Mid-Atlantic"

I think we are wrong in defining Maryland, Delaware, (and possibly even Virginia, specifically, Northern Virginia) as "Southern" states. These are well-documented as belonging to the "Mid-Atlantic" group. Even the name of the convention held in Arlington, VA is "Anime Mid-Atlantic", yet it's placed in the "Southern" group. I propose we shuffle the conventions that are located in Delaware, Maryland, and Northern Virginia (Arlington + other D.C. suburbs) into the "Mid-Atlantic" group. Amit (talk) 14:21, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Alright, well I guess I missed the "Arranged by regional divisions used by the United States Census Bureau" note in the article. Still think this is outdated and antiquated, but if that's the official stance of the U.S. Government, then we shouldn't change the groupings. Amit (talk) 14:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Apologies again for flooding this thread - the discussion for this article's particular "regional-izations" took place in the past and is documented in Archive 2. The justification for using the U.S. Census Bureau's regional definitions is given by Animesouth. Please refer to that discussion before replying to this one. Amit (talk) 14:40, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Using any method other than those used by the US Government would not be neutral. Of the US Government methods, only the Census Bureau uses geographic or historical names for regions. The others methods, such as the Standard Federal Regions, use methods a number that doesn't give any information about the actual location within the nation, thus confusing the reader (ex. Virginia is in Region III). While you may feel that Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware are in the Mid-Atlantic regions, this is not historically accurate. All three of these states are considered part of the South and are covered as such in grade school text books. —Farix (t | c) 16:12, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll start off by saying that I agree with your recommendation that the categorizations and groupings of states should follow the U.S. Census Bureau. However, I have a serious disagreement with your claim that using any other classification other than that used by the U.S. Government would be construed as violation of neutral point of view. That argument is really not relevant to this article though, so I'll shut up about it now. Amit (talk) 19:00, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Defining "Multi Genre"

What would be labeled as a multi genre convention here? Anime conventions such as the New York Anime Festival are lumped together with the comic con yet it is listed here? Otehrs such as Anime Boston and Otakon have video gaming, my question is where is the line drawn? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:46, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

It all depends on how the convention presents itself and how much of its overall programming is dedicated to anime. Anime Boston sells itself as an anime convention. Otakon bills itself as an Asian culture convention though the overwhelming majority of it's content is related to anime and manga. Though most anime conventions have video gaming, it's not the defining part of their programming, nor does that fact make them "gaming conventions". ConnectiCon (which repeatedly gets added to the list), clearly calls itself s a multigenre convention, of which anime is only a small part of its overall programming. Besides, there is already a list of multigenre conventions, even if it is poorly maintained. —Farix (t | c) 01:18, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Now that New York Anime Festival is not a separate event and has been rolled in with New York Comic Con, it doesn't belong on the list. Of course, until the New York Anime Festival and New York Comic Con articles are merged, people would probably keep adding it back. I think those should be merged and then we can take it off the list. As for drawing the line between anime and multigenre, I agree that it's all in how the convention bills itself. Yes, Anime Boston and Otakon have video gaming, but I definitely wouldn't classify them as video game conventions.--PatrickD (talk) 01:13, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Any convention that utilises gaming in any fashion uses that part of their programming to advertise and draw in crowds from that area. Thus, any convention that has a SUBSTANTIAL amount of anime focus in their programming (at least 50%, with related events - ie cosplay, AMVs, Japanese popculture, Maid Cafe, etc) should be included in this list. Otherwise, I would suggest remove any convention with gaming tournaments that uses that as part of their main programming (thus advertising) as that fits the definition of multi focus. Including LARP, table top gaming, etc--Boryha (talk) 16:48, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

AVCon

Can someone add AVCon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCon) to the list of conventions, even though I'm logged in I can't edit it.

It will need to be listed under Australia and should have a generic description like "AVCon (In Adelaide, in July)" — Preceding unsigned comment added by SectorX4 (talk • contribs) 17:15, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

 Not done AVCon is a multi-genre convention and is outside the scope of this list, which is limited to just anime conventions. —Farix (t | c) 17:18, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Wondering why the following are listed then as they are also multi-genre.

• Japan Expo - This is pop culture, not even anime which is funny because Supanova in Australia is pop culture and it's not listed either

• Sakura-con - " A variety of gaming rooms provide console/video, PC/LAN, CCG, RPG, and tabletop gaming"

• Tsukino-con - "Tsukino-Con's programming focuses mostly on anime and Japanese Culture with" that's multi-genre again.

• Ai-Kon - "Like most anime conventions, Ai-Kon provides a wide variety of programming including cosplay events, guest and fan panels and workshops, video game tournaments, vendors, artist alley and auction, anime screenings and dances"

• Dotacon - "Dotcon is a cultural convention, focusing on promoting arts, media and popular culture from East Asia. Since anime is a big part of popular culture from Japan, it is one of the aspects that is focused on at Dotcon, but it isn't the only one! Dotcon also wants to promote literature, visual arts, movies, music"

• PortConMaine - "PortConMaine is an annual anime and gaming convention held in the summer in Portland, Maine."

It seems to be that AVCon qualifies more than a lot of other conventions in the current list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SectorX4 (talk • contribs) 17:43, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Missing Anime Convention in MI

This page is missing the information for a convention in Michigan - GodaikoCon. I am requesting that the following be added under the "Midwest" section:

GodaikoCon (in Troy, MI during August) 98.224.228.120 (talk) 15:40, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

 Not done There is no stand-alone article to establish notability of the convention, per the list's inclusion requirements. —Farix (t | c) 11:53, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Cosplay Mania for the Philippines

Cosplay Mania for the Philippines:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosplay_Mania — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.211.173.190 (talk) 03:09, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

 Not done Cosplay events are outside the scope of this list. —Farix (t | c) 11:50, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

KotoriCon - notable?

This is an anime convention at Gloucester County College (home page: http://anime.gccnj.edu) with some local news source mentions:

• GCC places KotoriCon tickets on sale
• Second KotoriCon planned on GCC's campus
• Costumes, Cartoons and Good Causes at KotoriCon (not completely sure about the last source, although the "About Us" looks OK; the first two are from the Gloucester County Times)

The guests for 2012 include some with their own Wikipedia pages (Johnny Yong Bosch with his band Eyeshine, Michele Knotz, Stuart Zagnit, Jamie McGonnigal, and Bill Rogers). Should it be listed? Is a stub page for it needed (and, if so, could someone else create it? My familiarity with anime is peripheral at best; I'm only involved in this due to doing editing on the Gloucester County College article)? Thanks... Allens (talk) 23:24, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

I've created a section on KotoriCon at the Gloucester County College webpage; it includes a couple of further references. Allens (talk) 13:50, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

KotoriCon page created, with link from here. Allens (talk) 04:12, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

No page for Omnicon

I noticed that Omnicon actually links to a Transformers-related topic. Should Omnicon be removed from the list since it has no article? I don't normally make new articles, so if someone thinks it's worth pursuing, that might be something to do. Yaminator ^talk 23:24, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that article is not about the con. It should be removed. --24.60.168.4 (talk) 06:24, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done This appears to have been done already, if you see something that does not link to an anime convention on the list be WP:BOLD and remove it =). - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:37, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Kumoricon location

The list states: "Kumoricon (in Vancouver, Washington on Labor Day weekend)" It took place in Vancouver twice, but this event has taken place mainly in downtown Portland, Oregon, also, Portland is the name of the metro-area which includes Vancouver (which is a very small town). So, I think it would be better for indentification purposes to use Portland, Oregon as the location. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.92.174.113 (talk) 08:21, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

J-Fest Dominican Republic...

This convention isnt here... U can read more about it in the oficial page: j-fest.net But the problem is that the page is in spanish... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.6.83.101 (talk) 21:23, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Another Anime Con

NH anime con http://www.anotheranimecon.com/ 155.39.88.241 (talk) 22:23, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

 Not done Convention does not have enough reliable sources to establish notability. Esw01407 (talk) 23:31, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Reliable Sources: http://www.e-pages.dk/thehippo/345/ Page16 http://www.wmur.com/entertainment/thousands-of-anime-fans-arrive-in-manchester/22511412

If these are not reliable news sources then please contact me so we can contact the correct news sources. [email protected]

Defunct and on-hiatus conventions

Per WP:NOTDIR, do we need a list of every convention that has gone defunct? Some the ones listed do not have the sources needed to pass WP:Notability when it comes to events. Here is a breakdown of what I see:

• Anime America: Convention article is sourced by one primary source (Animecons.com), other than that how is it notable? N Deleted
  
• Anime East: Another convention sourced fully by Animecons.com, the convention ran for just two years. "The second anime convention to be held on the east coast of the United States" Might be notable if it can be sourced. N Deleted
  
• Anime Express: Anime convention ran for 13 years but yet no secondary sources are present in the article. Peak attendance at a mere 1,100 people in 2006. N Deleted
  
• Anime South: Article looks okay. (One link needs work) Y
  
• AnimeCon: Article looks good. Y
  
• AniZona: Article looks okay. Y
  
• Aurora-Con: Convention ran for only three years with one source that is not from animecons.com.
  
• Big Apple Anime Fest: Article looks good. Y
  
• Chibicon: Only sourced by Animecons.com. N Deleted
  
• Daigacon: Notable? Held in 2007 and in 2009 Needs major work. Y Fixed
  
• JACON: Nine year running convention just sourced by Animecons.com.
  
• Kunicon: See problem below in discussion. Y Fixed
  
• PersaCon: Article is sourced only by ANN and Animecons.com. Y Fixed but could use more sources
  
• Providence Anime Conference: Article looks good. Y
  
• Shoujocon: Article looks okay. Y
  
• Tomo-Dachi: Article looks okay. Y
  
• UppCon: Article looks okay. Y
  
• Yuricon Article looks okay. Y
  

Thoughts? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:47, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

• I think that we shoudl keep them for the notable conventions, but not for the ones that aren't notable. If the convention was merged into another one, it'd probably be better to merge and redirect to an article for that con if we have it and if not, maybe make the convention page if it passes NG.Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:24, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I basically agree, but each article should probably receive some attention/reworking before anythings done with it (basically what needs to be done with many of the anime convention articles). Kunicon is of particular concern as the article has been mentioned on an Anime News Network editorial in a negative light, with possibly having Conflict of Interest and Original research issues. Esw01407 (talk) 00:52, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

After searching, Anime America and Anime East seem to have no additional sources. I found one more Aurora-Con source, but it added nothing to the article and was mostly about voice actors who attended the convention. Esw01407 (talk) 00:30, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Im all for merging defunct conventions into ones that replaced them whenever possible, for the ones that arent though and have no additional sources to be found, an AfD is the best course in my opinion. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:54, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

As for cleanup for the anime conventions I agree I think though we should start here as some of the defunct conventions might be able to be merged or redirected to their renamed counterparts. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:58, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Kunicon has been reverted to an earlier version to fix the various issues mentioned above. Aurora-Con has received additional sources, but I would like a second opinion as I'm not sure the article even with the changes meets notability. I cannot confirm the one sources information as the article does not appear to be in any databases or websites. Esw01407 (talk) 00:16, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Kentokycon

Do a search for Kentokyocon, its real, and popular in Lexington.

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Several conventions have been held. mini-cons. The first annual convention is coming up soon, and already has several hundred pre-registered con-goers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.131.48.100 (talk) 15:58, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

 Not done Convention does not have enough reliable sources to establish notability. Esw01407 (talk) 23:31, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Really? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x12PaaOYOHs

http://www.bluegrassotaku.org/ <--Bluegrass Otaku LLC hosts Kentokyocon

https://www.facebook.com/bluegrass.otaku?fref=ts

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The last mini-con was not that "mini" with well over 200 guest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.131.48.100 (talk) 13:42, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Do you have any sources from Television, Newspaper, Magazines, Anime News Network reports/editorials (non-press release), or Animecons.com reports/editorials (not the event page/press release)? None of the links posted above can help establish notability. Attendance does not help establish notability, as there are conventions with 5,000 attendees not on Wikipedia due to a lack of reliable sources. Esw01407 (talk) 22:17, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

So wikipedia does not support small first year conventions? Kentokyocon is on animecons.com. We crowd Joseph-Beth with our Mini-Con events. The next one being April 27th. Just because we are not huge doesn't mean we don't exist.

• It's not our job to advertise or support anything, not really. We have entries on conventions and things that pass notability guidelines. If the convention has sources such as the ones that Esw01407 mentions, then it would pass WP:ORG and merit an entry and inclusion on this list. If it doesn't, then it shouldn't be included. As far as Sugoi goes, they seem to have gotten some coverage, although I'll agree it's light. Perhaps that should be deleted as well? The point of my saying that is to say that just because other stuff exists doesn't mean that it actually merits an entry as well. All that pointing another article that might not pass notability guidelines will do is end with it either being deleted (which is often not what you intended) or with someone explaining why it passes notability guidelines. Considering that Sugoi's sources are predominantly AnimeCon listings and a PR on ANN, it isn't looking like that merits an entry either. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:59, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

I've got to say, Kentokyocon being Lexington's ONLY anime convention, you've got some HIGH standards. What exactly are the "Reliable Sources" you need? If we have to pay to get information on Wiki then forget it, we can utilize better venues of marketing then a website that Professors with PHDs count as an unreliable source of information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.142.222.69 (talk) 03:42, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

This article is a place to start reading to answer your questions. As stated above, reliable sources can possibly include Television, Newspaper, Magazines, and for anime conventions Anime News Network reports/editorials (non-press release) or Animecons.com reports/editorials (not the event page/press release). I do not know where the idea that Kentokyocon has to pay to get information on Wikipedia came from, it simply lacks the reliable sources to be on Wikipedia right now, it's too new. I would suggest that if you decide to continue this line of conversation, you register an account, and begin signing your posts with four ~'s, to make communication easier. Esw01407 (talk) 19:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Canada's Anime conventions

Okay so in light of notability issues rearing it's ugly head I have gone ahead and made a list, rather than dealing with all the conventions at once I figured I would start with Canada:

• Animaritime: Article is only sourced by Animecons.com and it's own primary source website.
  
• Otakuthon: Looks good. Y
  
• G-Anime: Sourced by Animecons.com and primary sources? There are more sources on the talkpage and they need to be put into the article.
  
• Anime North: Sourced by only primary sources, animecons.com and just one very minor secondary source.
  
• Anime Evolution: Article looks okay. Y
  
• Animethon: Article needs more secondary sources.
  
• Naru2u: Article needs links fixed and secondary sources. - Deleted
  
• Otafest: Article needs more secondary sources.
  
• Nadeshicon: Article needs secondary sources and is questioned for notability.
  
• Ai-Kon: Article is only supported by animecons.com

Thus concludes Canada's anime conventions, 6/8 need work, I will see what sources I can come up with in the comming days. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:46, 7 June 2013 (UTC)