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No Longer Only Cable Stayed Bridge

I updated the article to reflect the Skybridge no longer being the longest. I've cited a bridge wiki that the Skybridge article links to. The Skyrbridge article has sources in Chinese if those are preferable. 

Hamster Drink (talk) 17:56, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Lougheed and Production Way changes

Regarding recent edits by Zacharycmango:

So first, this is a list of stations. Clearly the "Year" value in the table is shorthand for "Year opened" (which is immutable) and not about the service at the station (which can change and which is covered under the "Line(s)" comlumn).

Second, the changes at Lougheed prior to the opening of the Evergreen stations was the addition of a platform, which also happened at Commercial–Broadway in 2019. This is not sufficient for inclusion of an additional entry in the "Year" column, whereas Commercial Drive station and the Canada Line station at Waterfront were full-on new stations (albeit linked to existing ones).

Finally, per WP:STATUSQUO and WP:BRD, since changes have been made to a longstanding article and been reverted, the onus is on Zacharymango to come here and plead their case for the changes, not the other way around. —Joeyconnick (talk) 19:14, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Ok, it seems I may have been too fast in adding that information onto the list, so I will further explain why it is important. The lines column does not contain the year a line started to service a station. That information is just as important as when a station opened because if a station opens without service it would not be a station, rather just an empty building. This is relevant information.

Also, unlike what you just said, Production Way–University station did not get a new platform. It still only has two. Commercial-Broadway is a transfer station (notice station is not plural), and so is Waterfront. They got two new platforms connected to their old ones, just like Lougheed, the only difference being that Lougheed only got one new platform that is adjacent to the old ones. Even it is not currently "sufficient for inclusion of an additional entry in the Year column", then why don't we change the inclusion criteria to include it? If not Production Way-University, then at least Lougheed.

Next, if you look at this official source, , it treats Waterfront, Commercial-Broadway, Lougheed, and Production-Way University the same.

At least consider the helpfulness of these proposed changes. Zacharycmango (talk) 22:47, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you think that TransLink schedule webpage is saying but again, this is a table of stations in an article about stations, not of when which service started or ended at a station (that's captured in the station articles and the service articles; it would make a mess of this table and render it relatively meaningless given the history of Millennium Line service at all the Expo Line stations between Waterfront and Columbia from 2002 to 2016). The table makes it clear when a station opened, regardless of service. Commercial–Broadway station has two dates because it was originally two separate stations, one of which (Broadway) opened in 1985 with the Expo Line, and one of which (Commercial) opened in 2002 with the Millennium Line. It was only combined into one entity in 2009, which is explained in the note in the table. It having two dates reflects this fact of construction, not the service fact that it serves both the Expo and Millennium Lines. Similarly, Lougheed station opened in 2002 with the Millennium Line, as did Production Way. No new station was built at Lougheed or Production Way for the Evergreen extension. And while Waterfront has been considered "one" station since the Canada Line opened, there's no doubt the Canada Line required an entirely separate structure (albeit with connections to the original Expo Line station) given the two technologies of both lines are different. So maybe that helps you conceptualize it? The table is about when the structures opened, not when service started at which station or when modifications of the stations (like extra platforms) launched. —Joeyconnick (talk) 19:29, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

What would qualify as a "new station"? What qualifies as a "significant structure"? These're very subjective. Two new platforms not parallel to the old platforms is the objective definition I think you are trying to say. Does that mean that the new Broadway-City Hall would be a new station, even though it'll have the same entrances and exits, and both lines use the same technology? Does that mean a hypothetical transfer station that had both lines built at the same time would only qualify as one station? The way you are trying to put it is confusing at best. Also, the "Year" column is not clear and could be read as "Year serviced". Now, please consult this official source that says that a new platform was indeed constructed at Lougheed station. It is bizzare to claim that no new platform was ever built at Lougheed station. If that whole entire new platform does not constitute as a new station, yet the Waterfront station Canada Line platforms do, I think that is a very arbitrary exclusion. The Canada Line portion of Waterfront station is still the same station, it is just an addition, not unlike Lougheed. Once Commercial and Broadway merged, they are one station. I propose that either one year, the original opening year, be put for all of the stations, or have the secondary date dependent on either new construction or new service. Also, structural additions can be noted with a footnote. We need additional opinions on this because if it is just you and me nothing is ever going to happen. Zacharycmango (talk) 05:02, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

No it can't be read as "year serviced" because then all the Expo Line stations between Waterfront and Columbia would have had dual years, which they didn't, for years. And you would then need start of service and end of service dates. You can keep insisting the meaning of the column is ambiguous, but it's only ambiguous to you.

No one is arguing the 3rd platform at Lougheed wasn't constructed. I'm arguing it wasn't significant enough to warrant a new year in the "year opened" column. Canada Line was not a mere "addition": it's a separate station for an entire new line. And yes, once the Broadway extension is finished, Broadway–City Hall will entirely deserve a new entry in the year column because, just like with the Canada Line at Waterfront, it's a new station/significant structure linked to the existing one. Clearly, again, an additional platform is not a significant structure and that is reflected by the fact no one was rushing to add a third year to Commercial–Broadway when its fifth platform opened. —Joeyconnick (talk) 16:26, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

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It could be interpreted by year serviced by currently operating line. And if the future Broadway City Hall station will be a separate station, why has nobody added it to the list of future stations? Because it is not a new separate station. Transfer stations have one opening date, but more than one service started date. Commercial Broadway's platform was for the same preexisting line, Lougheed's is for the Expo line, which it wasn't serviced by before. This is a list of Skytrain stations, not "significant structures" of Skytrain stations. Zacharycmango (talk) 04:33, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

And since Waterfront is not all that different to the future Broadway City Hall station, I would argue that it would only have one opening date as well. That leaves Commercial-Broadway as the only station that should have two years since it is a combination of two originally separate stations. Zacharycmango (talk) 05:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

If everyone agrees now, I will change it to what I mentioned above, with only Commercial-Broadway having two opening dates. Zacharycmango (talk) 18:47, 28 May 2021 (UTC)