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I noticed that the South African flag next to Jody Scheckter's name is the 1994 one . While Scheckter competed, of course the 1928 version was the country's national flag. While in season overviews et al the 1928 is appropriate, which one should we use on this list?
We should use the 1928 version - that was the flag he raced his whole F1 career under. Changed. DH85868993 11:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As their first and last win is the same (or at least at the moment for active drivers such as Button and Trulli), could it work to merge "first win" and "last win" columns for those drivers? BleuDXXXIV 14:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I think this is more a technical Wikipedia issue rather than an issue with this page, but when I look at the Article, I see Lewis is listed as 48 wins, last at Hungrary, but when I look at the page data (i.e. Edit) it says 49 wins, last at Germany, which is correct.
I've cleared my cache, so I don't think it's my end. Any ideas? 86.151.233.0 (talk) 14:13, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It appears to be a known issue which has been occurring for the past 24 hours or so. DH85868993 (talk) 22:21, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Maybe another symbol for currently compeating Drivers?[edit]
I have to say that a cross indicates death and I was shocked and almost had an heart attack when I saw a Cross behind Hamiltons name on the first look. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.227.39.130 (talk) 11:48, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There is a small error in the wins record progression chart which I have noted in the discussion page for that graphic
69.181.48.66 (talk) 23:49, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Partially implemented Thank you for your attention to detail. This, and one other known error (Vettel's timeline runs one year late) will be fixed on the next update. Bamkin (talk) 12:14, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ImplementedBamkin (talk) 14:20, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Progression of the record for most F1 Grand Prix wins (live)
Hi, I wonder whether there are any opinions on changes to the chart below.
The chart was originally created to chow the progress of the record for most F1 wins. Afterward, additional data on non-record-holders were added as background. There is currently a suggestion to foreground these additional data. From my perspective, this change detracts from the important content, and also obscures the axis lines. On the other hand, additional interest in maintaining the graphic is to be encouraged.
If there is any preference amongst editors, please take a look at the previous few versions of commons:file:F1 winners record progression.svg (current version below). The comparison is about the grey lines representing non-title-holders: should they be
thick and foregrounded or
thin and backgrounded or
something else.
I will leave this as it stands until there is some interest and WP:Consensus to the contrary. Thanks for reading. Bamkin (talk) 08:02, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thinner than they are now but thicker than before. I assume that by background/foreground you mean the darkness? If so, darker than before, but not so dark as now. I understand that this isn't the most helpful reply. SSSB (talk) 09:51, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is useful. Though I will not make changes unless there is a second opinion.
By background, I mean that the grey lines were both behind the main data lines and behind the axis line. Bamkin (talk) 12:06, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, okay, in that case, I think they grey lines should be behing the main data lines. SSSB (talk) 12:18, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm coming very late to this discussion, having only just discovered this article. Can you please advise exactly what the grey data lines display? Maybe because it's late now and i'm tired, but it wasn't immediately obvious to me. After some thought i came to the conclusion that it is the data for each of the F1 world champions who have never held the record for winning most GPs (Senna, Alonso, Mansell, etc.). However if that is the case, i don't see a data line for Senna, which should show 41 wins between 1984 and 1994. Am i misunderstanding something? (Probably!) Julianhall (talk) 00:14, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Julianhall: Your conclusion is right. It would seem Senna is missing, @Bamkin: (I don't know how to do this myself). SSSB (talk) 13:25, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for answering SSSB. I've figured out how to view the source, confirmed that Senna is indeed (bizarrely) missing, fixed it elsewhere (see below) but used Notepad for the fix and don't want to mess up the code layout of the main one. F1 winners record progression (test)Julianhall (talk) 20:44, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I should've said Senna is the only world champ missing from the chart. All others are represented. Julianhall (talk) 20:49, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your interest and close attention to the graphic. Senna is missing, and I would be happy if it could be added.
I am the OP and have been maintaining the graphic. Unfortunately, there is currently disagreement about the width of the lines. Though I have no strong opinion on the width (see above), I think that the order of lines is important. I am not sure how strong the opinion of the other user is. Nonetheless, I am refraining from editing the graphic again until this is resolved, following Wikipedia:Consensus.
@SSSB: has expressed an opinion. If one or two more users agree (or otherwise), I will go ahead and make the edits, including the addition of Senna. Bamkin (talk) 11:36, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bamkin: I would suggest narrowing the grey lines a little, so they are slightly narrower than the coloured lines. I don't have a strong view either way about the order of the lines. I also wonder if it would be helpful to introduce a few different colours for the drivers who didn't hold the record? It's currently difficult (for me, at least) to differentiate between some of the data lines. Jack Brabham's and Graham Hill's, for example, which are tricky to follow from 1966 onwards. Julianhall (talk) 11:30, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Thank you for your input. I have provided a menu of three options. If you look at previous three edits to @SSSB:'s test file (see thumbnail to the right). In these, non record-holders are displayed using:
1. Slightly thinner lines and desaturated (greyed out) colours. [the current version]
3. Grey lines with black border. [the edit before that].
The live (non-test) graphic needs changing to include Senna anyway, so I will update with the most preferred style out of these three on Friday. Of course, I intend to fix the legend and strange thumbnail display before uploading). Which version is best? Bamkin (talk) 10:07, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am opposed to option 3, it looks too busy and I think it actually makes it harder to read. I prefer option 1 over option 2 but am happy with either. SSSB (talk) 11:50, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agree that the black borders version is too busy. I prefer the desaturated colours - i personally find them easier to follow. However something in the edit is causing some strange behaviour with the file. It's fine when viewed full size, but in preview size (for me at least), the drivers' names legend is significantly increased in size, with the names overlapping and therefore difficult to read, and the grid lines showing 10s of wins and decades are missing. Actually that's true of the pastel version too. Julianhall (talk) 13:34, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@SSSB:@Julianhall: With many thanks for your advice and patience, I have updated the live version, and making good use of SSBB's test area. I was encouraged by the marking of the end of season. The 'other champions' lines on the new version: are displayed with desaturated colour; on the back layer behind the axis; with medium-width lines. The data on Senna and Mansell are also amended. Needless to say, any further thoughts are very welcome. Bamkin (talk) 01:57, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Good work, it looks great. Julianhall (talk) 15:32, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bamkin: I think the axes and grid lines should be the most base level (i.e. behind everything else). The data is always more important than the auxiliary lines (which the axes/gridlines are). cherkash (talk) 20:52, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your suggestion. I tend to think that the data on non-record holders is background since it is not the main subject of the chart and obscures the axes. If there is an overall preference amongst other users to change the order, I am happy to make the changes. Otherwise, I think that this has been a productive discussion that has surely improved the quality of this graphic. Thank you cherkash for prompting this discussion. Best wishes, Bamkin (talk) 16:12, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bamkin: No worries, great to see my initial corrections led to further improvements. With respect to the axes though: this is the most auxiliary data in the graphic. ANY meaningful data (incl. "other champions" in this case) is more meaningful than the service function the axes and grid lines play in the graphic. It is silly to think otherwise: the grid is what the data lines are being put on, not the other way around ;) cherkash (talk) 19:27, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
. While Scheckter competed, of course the 1928 version 
was the country's national flag. While in season overviews et al the 1928 is appropriate, which one should we use on this list?
Partially implemented Thank you for your attention to detail. This, and one other known error (Vettel's timeline runs one year late) will be fixed on the next update. Bamkin (talk) 12:14, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
Implemented Bamkin (talk) 14:20, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
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