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Outline[edit]

I've added some material to the Liberty Jail page, but there is more to add. I'm planning an outline is as follows:

Description

Incarceration

Conditions

Revelations

Visitors

(some kind of title for a section describing their escape.

Visitor's Center

If you happen along, feel free to add / edit / whatever.74s181 04:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the best title for the escape section is 'Change of Venue', need to find the quote from Joseph Smith where he uses this terminology. 74s181 11:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Austin King and POV[edit]

I took out the following comment about Austin King:

a long time enemy of the church

That's POV with no substantiation. There's a ton of stuff online about the trial and none of it uses the inflammatory POV comments. The characters involved reads like a who's who from Missouri History. I've wikied most to show they had lives and histories beyond the imprisonment. Putting POV into this article cheapens it and diminishes its impact giving it the impression of being a pro-Mormon rant rather than an encyclopedic article on a very important topic. Americasroof 00:03, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The reference states this, it is almost a quote. I didn't make it up. It's kind of hard to reconcile the other facts of the trial with an impartial judge. 74s181 04:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Extreme POV & Excessive Detail[edit]

I've removed a LOT of content that is blatant Mormon church propaganda as well as a lot of excessive detail that has really nothing to do with the actual Liberty Jail... and more about enhancing the "legend" of Joseph Smith. Stories about how Smith rebuked the guards, how the inmates' wives visited their husbands, the reading of the treaty to the Mormons and that their leaders were "doomed"... these all make for a great story, but they don't belong here.
Like Americasroof described above, the whole article sounds like a pro-Mormon rant. This is NOT an LDS site, and should not be used as such. If you have any disagreements about this, please contact me before making changes. Thank you.
Kaihoku (talk) 20:52, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The extended quotes you removed did not belong, and it was a good idea to remove them. Also the wording of the section about Smith's writings at the time was not at all NPOV, but completely eliminating them was a bit too much. One of the principle reasons that the Liberty Jail is considered important by both Latter Day Saints and those involved with Mormon studies is due to Smith's writings while there; not including any mention of them leaves a big gap in the article. I have re-inserted a small portion of what was previously there, which has been re-written with NPOV in mind, but it needs more work to better describe the significance of these writings. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 02:00, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]