Talk:L. T. C. Rolt

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Templates for citing Rolt's books[edit]

Casw*ll[edit]

Does anyone know what is the correct spelling of Caswell/Caswall? Rogerson has "Caswall" but in the Landscape books and just about every other book I have he's just L.T.C... Google searching gives either in various places. Greg 20:39, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Correct Spelling of L.T.C. Rolt's name[edit]

According to his birth certificate he was born on 11th Feburary 1910 at number 7 South View, Eaton Road, Chester. And his name is Lionel Thomas Caswall Rolt. --PRG Roberts 10:52, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info. I've added his full DOB now too. --Greg 10:58, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rolt Snow and two cultures[edit]

C.P.Snow is generally credited for the concept of "The Two Cultures", but I found in at least two of Rolt's books serious discussion of this problem, a few years before Snow's. I thought it worth adding a quote to illustrate this and link to Snow's page. But people may differ. There is a whole page devoted to "The Two Cultures", but clearly the idea was in the air so to speak. Rolt situates the origin of the split at around 1850. The "Two Cultures" page says:

As a trained scientist who was also a successful novelist, Snow was well placed to pose the question

and the same can be said of Rolt. --RobertCailliau 06:40, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Rolt Bridge[edit]

The bridge (no. 164) bears at least one plaque on an abutment; the one that I've seen (and photographed) is on the left (mooring) side of the canal, and not visible from the road. Is that photo worthy of uploading? I've never actually submitted a photo to Wikipedia before; not sure how to proceed. Resolution is 2048x1536; file size is 1.75MB (actually 1,837,500 bytes). --Redrose64 (talk) 16:52, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just go ahead, it's a wiki! --DrJunge (talk) 13:34, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Centenary Celebrations[edit]

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Celebrations being held in 2010 include:

  • 24th April 2010, Oxfordshire - the narrow boat 'Heron' sets off from Banbury on a voyage retracing Tom's historic 'Cressy' journey. The boat arrives in Chester in June, to finish in August at Beale Park
  • 14th-16th May 2010, Wales - a special train on Talyllyn Founders’ Day, 14th May. And a 'Tom Rolt Centenary' gathering of vintage cars on 15th/16th May.
  • 26th-27th June 2010, Chester - The Chester IWA are hosting a centenary rally
  • 7th-8th August 2010, Gloucestershire - The August Prescott VSCC (Vintage Sports Car Club) meeting will host a ceremony to name one of the corners on the course after Tom.
  • 28th/29th August 2010, Berkshire - IWA National Festival and Boat Rally at Beale Park in honour of Tom Rolt

I think that some of these - particularly the first item - can go back in (amended from future to past tense), as examples of the commemoration: but only if suitable references can be found. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:48, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

spelling[edit]

I'd confirm the changes made by 62.6.160.238: It's Kyle Willans and Tim Carson. Probably my errors. Chris55 (talk) 10:38, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Chris. Andy, regarding "AGF, and if you can't do that, check spellings with ltcrolt.org.uk or similar", I won't commit to doing research every time watchlist heuristics suggest probable subtle verisimilitude challenge; too many true positives, not enough false positives (like this one). And my AGF level is higher than almost anyone's. In fairness to your point, I will add a line to future edit summaries that makes clear that I'm not being a dick, i.e., "Rv probable subtle verisimilitude challenge. If this is an error, feel free to [[User talk:Username|tell me]]." The false positives will out via the response to that. Regards all. — ¾-10 23:02, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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England or Wales?[edit]

Article just now says: "His father Lionel had settled back in England in Hay-on-Wye", but Hay-on-Wye is in Wales not in England. Did he really go to Hay (in which case, we need to change "England" to "Wales", or maybe he lived near Hay, but across the border, in which case we need to say something else. What is there now is definitely not right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eurgain (talk • contribs) 18:56, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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What happened to Cressy[edit]

If someone has the sources, it would be good to add a note about the fate of NB Cressy; there's a good blog post, which mentions such source, but which is not itslef a reliable source.Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:38, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As stated, it was broken up as beyond economic repair. The engine was re-used on one of the early Talyllyn Railway petrol engines. I'll see if I can find a ref for both of these facts. — O Still Small Voice of Clam 13:01, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Last time I walked past Tooley's Boatyard (11:05, 11 December 2020) I looked for Cressy - but in vain, not knowing its fate. But I did find the blue plaque to L.T.C. Rolt on the end of the dry dock building. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:04, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative name[edit]

@Johnpacklambert: Re: [1] - Tom Rolt is not a nickname, but the name he used on a day to day basis (hence the name of the locomotive). If we don't specify this, people may think he was known personally as Lionel Rolt, which is not the case. One alternative is to move this article to Tom Rolt (and update any disambiguation as required). Thoughts? — Voice of Clam 16:38, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Moving to Tom Rolt would not be helpful, it's as L. T. C. Rolt that he is known for his books. We do need the article to be clear that he wasn't known as Lionel. If there's a rule preventing us from making this clear then it's a stupid rule, and we should ignore it. DuncanHill (talk) 16:51, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The rule (MOS:ALTNAME) doesn't prevent us making this clear, but exactly the opposite: When [the] title is a name, significant alternative names for the topic should be mentioned in the article, usually in the first sentence or paragraph. I don't want to edit war, hence this discussion, but I think that makes it clear that Tom Rolt, at least, should be listed in the lead sentence. I'll stay neutral on L. T. C. Rolt. — Voice of Clam 17:14, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Follow-up: In his edit summary, Johnpacklambert says "MOS says do not put in a common nickname". I cannot find any reference to this - indeed MOS:NICKNAME states the opposite. In the absense of any opposition or further discussion, I'm going to restore the alternative names. — Voice of Clam 21:17, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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