Talk:Kokino

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Chochev Kamen doesn't have anything to do with ancient observery, it is a remacable place but not observatory at all

are there any quotable references on this, at all? So far we just have random google-results.

On google books, I find next to nothing. Basically, there are two results:

Jovica Stankovski, Lenka Trajkovska, Marija Stankovska-Dzamali, Kokino: tvrdina na sonceto (2007)
Publications de l'Observatoire astronomique de l'Université de Belgrade, 2006
- In 2001, on the footpath of a mountain peak, near the village of Kokino, arche- ologist Jovica Stankovski discovered an archeological site from The Bronze Age.

This seems to substantiate at least that Stankovski is an archaeologist, and that he believes the site is an observatory. This is not very much for a period of twelve years since discovery, and the alleged importance of the site. I do suspect that this is another case of wishful thinking in "national archaeology" (Bosnian pyramids). According to this,

"Jovica Stankovski indicated that even though Kokino is not completely scientifically identified and evaluated site, so far it has offered opportunities for scientific archaeological and astronomical view on the “darker” aspects of prehistory and it has changed the stereotypical views of cultural retardation of our bronze age culture in terms of its contemporary, great civilisation hot spots around the Mediterranean and the Middle East."

They already have the splendid Vinca culture, but apparently it is a slight on their national pride that culture seems to have been 'retarded' a little bit during the Bronze Age, so it is the job of every upright archaeologist to go out and bloody well discover some spectacular proof of the achievements of Bronze Age Macedonians.

After some more research, it turns out that the driving force behind this is indeed Mr. Cenev, but far from limited to self-published books, he appears to have single-handedly put this on the agenda of the Macedonian Ministry of Culture, and taken this to UNESCO (application form for "advisory services"). I have no idea if the "obervatory" claim is genuine, but genuine or not, it is Mr. Cenev who has raised this above the "notability threshold" over the past few years.

Mr. Cenev makes a great deal of the alleged recognition of the site by "US space agency NASA". This was touted in several news articles, and it is even in the description of the submission of the site to the UNESCO. Now, in 2005, somebody at NASA's "Sun-Earth Connection Education Forum" made a poster which included a world map of "ancient observatories". This was four years after the site's discovery and certainly before there had been time to form a scholarly archaeological consensus. NASA did not research archaeological observatories, somebody just googled them to put together a poster for a public "education forum". The Southeast European Times jumped on this and reported in a headline(!) that the Kokino site had been "ranked fourth"(!) -- it just happened to be given number 4 in the poster's map legend -- on a "NASA list". The NASA poster is a hack, it is not a scholarly or even ISBN'd publication, it is just something some guy put together for this "education forum". The quality of this "document" by the "US space agency" can be gleaned from the fact that they managed to misspell Goseck as Goeck, and Armenia as Aremenia.

Using this in order to keep mentioning how "NASA accepts our claim" is just pathetic, and basically shows how starved for recognition this site must be. --dab (𒁳) 15:01, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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