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Slavic Macedonian names are irrelevant east of the Struma[edit]

Kavala never had a significant Slavic-speaking population, and these were Bulgarians and never Slavic "Macedonians".

Slavomacedonian nationalists should stop editing to include their specific pronounciation of a Greek name. There has never been a significant Slavic Macedonian population east of the Struma/Strymonas river as almost all Slav speakers east of this river have always seen themselves as ethnic Bulgarians.

Please sign and add sources, Andreas 22:03, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish name[edit]

The Turkish name of the city is the same as the Greek name and therefore not an "alternative name". There is no need to include it in the lead paragraph. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names).   Andreas   (T) 15:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agree in this case. If these things are still a matter of edit wars, would somebody like to revive Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Greek and Turkish named places)? Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kavaliotaki user wrote:

Turkish names should be removed from all Greek cities in their English versions. Mainly this is an ill-purposed placement, Turkish language is unknown and irrelevant in Greece. Same for Bulgarian and Slavic Macedonian names.

etymology of the name[edit]

If any locals or whatever know what the place name means or where the name Kavala came from, I think it would be beneficial to put that info in the artcile. -66.82.9.81 (talk) 17:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And can anyone provide a source for saying that the Kabbalah etymology has ever been suggested? To me it seems too stupid to be credible. --Sir Myles na Gopaleen (the da) (talk) 16:01, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Aqueduct[edit]

The photo caption for the aqueduct calls it a Roman aqueduct, but the article states an aqueduct was built in the 16th century, in the Ottoman era. Is there more than one aqueduct? Peter T —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ptunes (talk • contribs) 08:07, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As I corrected it in the article, the aqueduct of Kavala was first built between 1st - 6th century in my opinion it is a work done by the byzantine emperor Justinian I, there are clear archaeological evidence in its masonry about this time. Later, when Ibrahim refounded the city at the begining of the 16th century, he reconstructed its aqueduct as well, giving it its nowadays form. Xristoupolitis (talk) 19:59, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Numerous issues with references[edit]

In the history section in particular, I notice a distinct lack of references. For example, the article mentions a "Life of St. Gregorios Dekapolitis", for which I can find no information on the web aside from websites that use the Wikipedia text verbatim. Also, there are numerous external link citations that are "hard-coded" into the article, rather than using inline citations; most of these link to a domain rather than the specific page where the referenced information can be found. If I find time, I may attempt to address some of these issues. For now I have just added the templates. Wilford Nusser (talk) 00:58, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Unhistorical references about bulgarian control of Christoupolis[edit]

As a local historian, born in Kavala, I corrected the unhistorical references of Atanas88, who wrote that Bulgarians captured and held Christoupolis from 834 till 1197! There is not a single historical reference in the medieval sources, greek or slavic, that the Bulgarians ever managed to take control over the city even for a short period of time during the medieval era. On the contrary, as I wrote in the article, it was the Ceasar Alexius Moshelie, brother in law of the byzantine emperor Theophilus, who used Christoupolis as a stronghold to stop the bulgarian raids in the plain of Philippoi in 837. Moreover, 3 greek inscriptions, one in situ in the defensive wall of the city and two others in the archaeological museum of Kavala, dating in 830 - 840, 926 and 1193, very clearly point out that the city was continually under greek control, despite its destruction probably by the Normand raiders in 1185. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xristoupolitis (talk • contribs) 09:58, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unacceptable claims about the references for the second bulgarian occupation of Kavala (1916 - 1918)[edit]

In 14 March 2020, 18:16, user 73.223.5.160 wrote: "This article is full of racist/ethnicist misinformation and vandalism with no references provided for claims. It also has too many orthographic errors to be written by an English speaker. Needs major fix". As I also wrote in the "edit summary" section, it is fully unacceptable to state that the information about the well known second bulgarian occupation of Kavala (1916 - 1918) and its consequences to the local greek orthodox community is "vandalism" (!) or "racist/ethnicist" (!). These are historical facts and the reference was made by me, as a local historian, based exactly in the detailed publication of the research made by the post war inder-allied interrogatory committee, which finally gave its report in 21 April 1919 (in french), as exactly I mention in the article. Moreover, in the bibliography section, is mentioned the modern publication of this research, in Greek translation: "Roudometof Nikolaos (ed.), Notebooks of Bulgarian Occupation. Eastern Macedonia 1916–1918. v. 1, Kavala – Chrisoupoli – Eleutheroupoli, Kavala: Historical & Literary Archive of Kavala (in Greek)" - ISBN 978-960-88804-9-8,  see also https://www.ilak.org/index.php?p=5&lang=en. Just because there is a lack of an english edition about the second bulgarian occupation in Kavala during the First World War or maybe even worse a lack of knowledge about it in the western public doesn't mean that these facts, the ethnic cleansing against the local greek - orthodox community, never happened. I strongly believe that this is exactly the role of wikipedia, to enlight the world public about hidden pages in world history and in this aspect the contribution of  local historians is critical.

Xristoupolitis (talk) 00:57, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Notable figures section addition removed with reasoning "he wasn't born in Kavala"; there are already several people there who weren't born in Kavala[edit]

A few days ago I added FORG1VEN to the notable figures section. My edit was reverted with the reasoning "he wasn't born in Kavala". However, this reasoning is at odds with the current state of the page. There are currently several people listed in the page's notable figures section that were not born in Kavala.

One category is the people who were born in nearby villages/towns rather than in Kavala itself: Vasilis Karras, Kostas Mitroglou, Christos Terzanidis, Theodoros Zagorakis. The other category is people who weren't born anywhere near Kavala: Dimitrios Partsalidis, Sofoklis Schortsanitis, Despina Vandi.

There should be consistency. It must be decided that only people who were born in Kavala will be included, or people associated mainly with Kavala will also be included. I think the latter makes more sense, as place of birth by itself isn't necessarily indicate of which location someone is associated with, as evidenced with the examples above.

--Ρήγας (talk) 16:13, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

FORG1VEN wasn't born in the town of Kavala, nor in the broader homonymous municipality or regional unit; he was born in Prosotsani, located in the adjacent regional unit of Drama. Having said that, it's not an absolute requirement for the individual to have been born in Kavala, but he must be strongly associated with it. If he is, then i pose no objection for his inclusion in the list; per WP:LISTBIO and WP:SOURCELIST. Demetrios1993 (talk) 08:27, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
By virtue of having lived in Kavala for most of his life, as well him associating himself with Kavala first and foremost, I am certain he should be included. --Ρήγας (talk) 09:51, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

deletion of the so called "slavic name of Kavala"[edit]

I had to delete the reference of the "slavic name of Kavala" as Moronets (!) because historical research made by Theocharidis ("Μορουνατς, το δήθεν σλαβικό όνομα της Καβάλας", Μακεδονικά 6, 1965, pp. 75-89) has proven that the place name Morounets which is mentioned in a slavic Evangelion in Cheladari Monastery in 1347 is not refering to Christoupolis (Kavala), but to a place north - east from the city, mentioned as "Bishopric Morenos" in a letter of Pope Innocentius III to the Latin Bishop of Philippoi William in 1212, after the sack of Constantinople by the crusaders in 1204. On a map of the territory in 1922 a village under the name Μορέν - Moren - is recorded exactly North - East from the city of Kavala, so it preserved precisely the name of the medieval latin Bishopric. The name Morenos derived from the Moreni from the coastline of the Flanders, who, as crusaders, followed the 4th crusade and established also in the territory of Christoupolis. So there is no slavic routes or etymology to Morounets, the word had latin origins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xristoupolitis (talk • contribs) 20:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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