Talk:Karasawa Genba
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persuaded[edit]
I read rather his father who was in Castle Iwabitsu (and thus fighting Takeda at first) was persuaded, be subject to Takeda (or its retainer) and later Gemba succeeded to his father? --Aphaia (talk) 08:45, 7 February 2008 (UTC)