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User:Veryindian (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been adding the above image in the article, inspite of the image not being free, not passing commons moderators and missing critical information. I have notified him of the issue, hope he understands that non-free images are not acceptable here. —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 06:32, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

please check the year of birth agin --Abhijeet Safai (talk) 17:30, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Further Editing[edit]

This article needs to be polished as it leans too heavily on quotations embodied from interviews and excessive reviews. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SusannaCorreya (talk • contribs) 15:56, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Name pronunciation audio[edit]

The audio file isn't working. Please fix it.-Managerarc™ talk 20:09, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is working on my server. Please check again. Yashthepunisher (talk) 07:52, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Not the one in the infobox, I meant the audio file in the lead section after the name.-Managerarc™ talk 19:42, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That one is also working. Yashthepunisher (talk) 16:11, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
On a different note, would somebody with the appropriate knowledge of the IPA please revise the IPA pronounciation to match the way she pronounces her name in the audio file? She pronounces the first two vowels to rhyme with the English word "bulky". The first vowel in her pronounciation is not a schwa. Rahul (talk) 23:26, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Does anyone agree that the final vowel in Koechlin is nasalized? Siuenti (talk) 21:22, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hindi[edit]

The article should say something about her Hindi, as she presumably speaks it in all her films. She seems to have learned it after starting shooting Dev D. [1] Siuenti (talk) 15:35, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A source more reliable than Santabanta.com is highly appreciated. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:59, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the article talks about it in the ZNMD section. Thanks! NumerounovedantTalk 09:41, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/Kalki Koechlin --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:05, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

About heer performance in zindagi na milega dobara in 201 mid[edit]

Her performance as an actress wa above par and noteworthy. Kudos to her. May she come up ith many more. Engrdwarak (talk) 11:45, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Ethnicity in lead[edit]

I don't think its "unimportant" just not to the level of inclusion in the lead sentence and I would also see WP:BLPLEAD. Regards,--Malerooster (talk) 17:38, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I removed this again per above. --Malerooster (talk) 21:31, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I removed it again. --Malerooster (talk) 22:30, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's okay if you do not want it spelled out like that in the lead, but it is a significant detail. Her entire career (the earlier part in the particular) has been steered a certain way just because she has a French identity. She has repeatedly talked about her dual Identity and how it influenced her. Maybe we could mention her parents being from France if ethnicity doesn't fit. Articles like Akshay Kumar's do talk about his nationality and his birth in the lead. Thank you for the ping. NumerounovedantTalk 06:00, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have read the context bit; it does seem to be a detail that effects her notability to me, but it's completely subjective. Let me know how you feel. NumerounovedantTalk 06:05, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality[edit]

There have been constant edits and reverts on the nationality of Kalki Koechlin. The French article Ouest uses the term passport to mention her French nationality, while Indian sources call her an Indian national in India Today and The Hindu by using the word citizenship as quoted by Kalki herself.
It's been some time since I've been trying to find additional sources to support the citizenship claim, but haven't been much successful. If any editor is able to come up with more sources mentioning her nationality, it would be helpful. MT TrainDiscuss 10:31, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the Ouest interview, I believe she was originally an Indian citizen on account of being born in Pondicherry, then she must have changed to French at some point. --Kailash29792 (talk) 10:59, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That can be one possibility considering India followed jus soli till 1987; but for her to attain French citizenship later on, it would've required her to stay in France for at least 5 years, which is not the case. The quote "...towards the ignorant FRRO officials. I had similar experiences before I got my Indian citizenship." from the India Today source above makes me feel it's the other way around. MT TrainDiscuss 11:16, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds to me like she has duel citizenship, being born in India would put that primary and French secondary. Nationality is simply down to "where does she pay her taxes!!" Govvy (talk) 08:49, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, India doesn't allow dual citizenship (if it did, this great figure would have officially made India proud). Perhaps Koechlin was lying in one of the interviews, like how Akshay Kumar once mentioned having both Indian and Canadian citizenship. --Kailash29792 (talk) 10:29, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Given the need for her to travel with minimal hindrance, it does make sense that she is legally French (although indian by culture). Having both parents French gives her the right to claim/choose French nationality from 18 years old, without going through the process of the 5 years living there. (She probably thought the French article would never be read in India and no one there would find out about her legal citizenship ?) As the French passport page explain, bearing "French passport only establishes the presumption of French citizenship according to French law", but that still makes her legally French by law, as India does not recognise double nationality. Had it done so, we would be able to include Indian as her second nationality (chronologically), ironically :) I know a lot of indians visiting the page find it confusing, but I think the information should stay this way, until proven otherwise by a legal source or herself... User talk:Wisi_eu 18:07, 10 February 2018 (ECWT)

Nth Opinion/Drive-by Comment: I saw this dispute listed at Dispute Resolution Noticeboard. Though I'm a volunteer there, I don't want to take this on to mediate it because my time to be available for that is uncertain at the moment, so I'm just offering this as a comment from a neutral point of view: The foregoing discussion is a poster-child example of prohibited original research. Here at Wikipedia we don't interpret or analyze what sources say, we merely report it. Sometimes the data from equally-reliable sources is contradictory, in that case we report both versions; sometimes the data is inconclusive or must be interpreted to reach a conclusion, in that case we don't report the data at all. All that can be reported here is what the sources say. If more than that needs to be said, then better sources need to be found. If they can't be found, that does not justify resorting to prohibited original research. Instead, we simply say what the sources say, or say nothing at all. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 18:42, 13 February 2018 (UTC) PS: My recommendation would be for the article to say something like, "Koechlin was born in India and is an Indian citizen, though she has a French passport." citing the sources noted above. For the "Nationality" field in the infobox, "Indian with French passport". Yes, that leaves a degree of confusion, but that's what the sources say. — TransporterMan (TALK) 18:55, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Should we simply say that she is an "Indian" actress and leave the explanation in a footnote? I think your version makes a lot of sense, so that'd be just fine too. Talking about when she might have been telling the truth is a little silly IMO. There's really no way of knowing that, innit? VedantTalk 13:23, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. In the infobox, a note mentioning the conflicting data regarding her citizenship would clarify the readers about the issue unless a better sources comes up in the future. MT TrainDiscuss 06:35, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Or should we retain the French citizenship info in the lead until Koechlin tells the media if it is correct or not? Vidya Balan once did this about her DOB. --Kailash29792 (talk) 06:46, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well, Koechlin did the same once, but DOBs are different as people clarify on getting wishes on a wrong date. And idk Kailash, even by these standards we should rely on the latest source which is in fact her saying that she has an Indian Citizenship. She could well clarify not being an Indian citizen as she could for being French. Therefore going by the latest source I think the Indian citizenship should be restored, with a detailed note on the conflicting news reports in the info box. VedantTalk 07:55, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Indian-ness[edit]

She was born in India to French parents. Her citizenship is French, but she is culturally, linguistically, and professionally Indian. She speaks Western languages with a South Asian accent. Do not add race as a defining factor, as this would be considered childish and/or overly nationalistic in other countries. VenetianNobility (talk) 02:25, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Numerounovedant, how about we take the example of Russell Crowe's lead section and use it here? The sentence there is "Although a New Zealand citizen, he has lived most of his life in Australia." Kailash29792 (talk) 06:41, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds okay to me Kailash. VedantTalk 18:31, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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