Talk:José Altuve

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I guess it's too specific to warrant article entry, but his back-hand flip to set up a double play yesterday? is incredible.64.53.191.77 (talk) 20:10, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Role in cheating scandal

Consistent with BLP, can we discuss the "buzzer" allegations here? The Washington Post published speculation this week and Commissioner Manfred's response. As well, Altuve has discussed the allegations with the media.EdJF (talk) 16:55, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

They are just rumors.. and rumors dont belong in an encyclopedia. Spanneraol (talk) 17:11, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree with the comment that no reference to the scandal belongs until it is somehow proven (in a court of law?) ... if that were the standard, Wikipedia would have no information on individuals' roles in current events. I would strongly recommend a mention (perhaps a "controversies" section, or just within the career section of his page) of the allegations, especially as they are currently affecting his career and playing. If a novice were to see current reports of him being booed, thrown at, etc, in the 2020 season and come to his Wikipedia page, there would be no explanation of what's going on, which would be unfortunate, in my opinion. Brendotroy (talk) 20:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

The allegations meet WP:NOTE and the since Altuve himself has addressed the allegations, seems reasonable to include them in the article, but I'll wait a while for additional opinions.EdJF (talk) 05:53, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

An allegation is by definition "an assertion unsupported and by implication regarded as unsupportable." Also, as EdJF notes, Altuve himself addressed the allegations and they do meet WP:NOTE. If allegations can't be included in articles because they are "unproven" then there would be hardly any "controversy" sections in articles. Berkelium07 (talk) 00:52, 15 March 2020 (UTC) ; edited 03:01, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Just wanted to point out, Altuve has never once said HE used that trash can scheme (his teammates say that he, Reddick, and Kemp did not), but Altuve did apologize on behalf of the team.

This is what he said: "I also will be brief. We had a great team meeting last night, and I want to say that the whole Astros organization and the team feels bad about what happened in 2017. We especially feel remorse for the impact on the fans and the game of baseball, and our team is determined to move forward, to play with intensity and to bring back a championship to Houston in 2020. Thank you."

Right after that, Bregman said this: "I have some brief remarks that I’d like to share with y’all. I am really sorry about the choices that were made by my team, by the organization and by me. I have learned from this, and I hope to regain the trust of baseball fans. I would also like to thank the Astros fans for all of their support. We as a team are totally looking forward to the 2020 season. Thank you."

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/astros/article/Astros-apologies-In-their-own-words-15053471.php

There were players who apologized for the team, and players that apologized for the team and themselves. Teammates say Altuve was one of the players that didn't use the scheme, and the Tony Adams analysis (used to measure the extent of the scheme use) bears that out: While most players had double digit percentages of "bangs" like White (26%), Marisnick (22%), Gonzales (18.2%), Gurriel (16.6%), Beltran (18%), Bregman (16%), Correa (15.4%), Gattis (15.4%), Springer (14.4%) ... there were other players who had only incidental bangs or none at all, like Reddick (3.7%), Altuve (2.7%), Kemp (0%).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/01/31/an-astros-fan-listened-thousands-teams-2017-at-bats-sign-stealing-was-everywhere/

https://signstealingscandal.com/

In Altuve's case, he reportedly told the team not to do it when he was batting because it threw off his timing. That sounds like it happened a few times early on, but stopped because he asked for it to stop, because it was hurting his performance.

But just pointing to the difference between Altuve's and Bregman's apologies ... Altuve was at that press conference to apologize for the team, Bregman was there to apologize personally. We have never seen an instance where Altuve said HE used the scheme, so it's not really fair in a personal article about Altuve to say he commented on HIS use of the scheme. He's only ever commented about the team's use of the scheme.

But the above commenter EdJF above is correct, the buzzer rumor (started by a fake twitter account, repeated by Aaron Boone) was investigated by MLB, no evidence was ever found. In the above article, players denied buzzers were ever used, such as Correa: "No. That’s a lie. Nobody wore buzzers; nobody wore devices. That story should be killed already, because we know for sure for a fact, a hundred percent, as a team … if I’m lying here, I’ll lose credibility if something like that comes out. … Nobody wore anything. 2018, nothing. 2019, nothing. 2017, nobody wore any devices either. It was just what was out on the report. People talk about 2018 — that we started the season doing something. We didn’t do anything. No trash can. There was no center-field camera. There was nothing."

For his part, Altuve said the following:

"When you said you don’t believe that I didn’t have a buzzer, you don’t believe what MLB investigated."

So this is the problem graph: "With regard to his accused role of wearing a wire and stealing signs, Altuve said, "I'm not going to say to you that it was good — it was wrong. We feel bad, we feel remorse, like I said, the impact on the fans, the impact on the game — we feel bad.""

First problem, Altuve wasn't in that referenced article referring to HIS role, but the team's scheme. Second, that quote has nothing to do with the buzzer rumor, in that same article he denies that buzzer rumor, as quoted above.

That sentence should be reworded. If the buzzer rumor must be mentioned, it should also be pointed out the sourcing for it was the fake twitter account, that Altuve and all players denied it, and MLB reported no evidence of any device usage by the Astros between 2017-2019. The MLB said no scheme or cheating happened in 2019, including buzzers.

https://img.mlbstatic.com/mlb-images/image/upload/mlb/cglrhmlrwwbkacty27l7.pdf 2601:281:8381:DFC0:A80B:4F39:A6CC:3CDD (talk) 05:14, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Ah, thank you for this information. It's just happened to me. I'm from Switzerland and watching my first game with Houston and wondered why Oakland supporters are going crazy at him. At first I thought it's a Houston-Oakland-thing, but couldn't find anything about a rivalry. So I watched here. Nothing. But I learned in wikipedia much informations can be found in the "Talk" area. You really should made a hint in the article "why crowds go crazy when he's at bat" or something else. And now I'm googling about this allegations because I want to know what's going on with the crowd in Oakland and wikipedia didn't answered it. Excusing my worse english. Have a good time, all! 178.200.66.188 (talk) 23:08, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Any notion of Altuve wearing a wire has been demonstrably proven to be false. Why does this article imply that Altuve admitted to it? Additionally, there's quite a bit of evidence that Altuve himself did not use the trash banging scheme. as well as Andy Martino's book. That should be mentioned here as well. Jkessler13 (talk) 20:03, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

References

Shortest player

Donnie Sadler was the shortest before Altuve. 2600:100C:B026:3E4A:A02A:803:CA8A:855B (talk) 02:50, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

He has also won six Silver Slugger Awards (an American League record) and one Rawlings Gold Glove.

That is not close to an AL record. Alex Rodriguez has 10, for starters. 38.104.228.58 (talk) 00:05, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 December 2023

"Altuve led MLB in Wins Above Replacement (WAR, 8.3) for the first time in his career.[51]" This is not true and should be removed, the citation shows Joey Votto led MLB in WAR with 8.1 while Altuve had 7.7 kig9445 (talk) 22:10, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done Rehsarb (talk) 22:35, 27 December 2023 (UTC)