Talk:Jo O'Meara

Photo

Someone should add a picture of her for the article.I like Radiohead 15:22, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Verify tag

Added the verify tag in anticipation of similar disparaging comments made on other contestants' pages. Jammy Simpson | Talk | 20:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Lead singer

Article reads: Formerly the lead singer of the group S Club 7, - Did they have a lead singer? MRSC • Talk 14:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Everyone lately seems to be refering to her as "the voice of S Club 7", but I also thought there was no lead singer. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

yeah it was mainly her and one of the boys that took the lead in every song i heard

Protection

This page could do with protection. It seems to be getting as much abuse as the other BB articles. Anyone agree? MRSC • Talk 21:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

No. Should it not be mentioned that she is a racist? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.207.27.164 (talk • contribs) 22:31, 17 January 2007.

I have added a mention of the alleged racism in the paragraph on Big Brother. I hope this is a satisfactory compromise, without straying into legal problems.--Conjoiner 23:38, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

A good compromise but I have requested semi protection from IP edits. The number of reverts justify this I believe. Regan123 23:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Seems fair. A mention of alleged racism is OK, but statements like 'her behaviour is disgusting, she will be getting some stick...' are not remotely appropriate to an encyclopedia.--Nickpheas 08:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

It states thst she was favourite to win when she entered the house, should it not now say that she is 3rd most disliked housemate?Daveegan06 19:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Her racist remarks complete with body language should be mentioned, albeit she has played a minor role. Wallie 22:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Body language is fairly subjective to define. Let's keep it with alleged racist remarks.--Conjoiner 13:31, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Is it? I would contend that body language is very clearly defined. You should read text books on the subject. I cannot see that it is subjective. The look of hatred on anyone's face is a clear signal to all who see it. Wallie 07:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Further comments on protection of this page

"This page could do with protection. It seems to be getting as much abuse as the other BB articles" - What a load of nonsense. To all the "I love Jo" Do-Gooders out there - you can't silence the masses. Jo O'Meara is one of the most hated people in the UK at the moment, and quite frankly deserves all the criticism she gets. To all the Wikipedia "Moral Guardians" who feel that you have to remove an edit that is deemed remotely offensive - you can't stop the truth. Whether an individuals feelings on Jo O'Meara be bad or good, they have a RIGHT TO BE SAID - As I say, you can't silence the masses, and if comments on O'Meara get removed from Wikipedia, then there are PLENTY of other Websites out there who would quite happily post criticising comments. Get off your high horse Wikipedia "Guardians" - don't censor the truth.

Sure, criticism is allow, providing it is sourced and legitimate. But this is meant to be a biographical account, not a hate site where you can post up insults. Please go away and write a blog. Stop vandalising this website.--Conjoiner 10:53, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

"Please go away and write a blog. Stop vandalising this website." Hear hear. Why don't you try channeling your anger into a more productive activity, rather than trying to destroy the work of everyone who edits this website. LibLord 14:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

My God, you are all so self righteous! "Please go away and write a blog".... "Channel your anger into something more productive"..... Good to see the O'Meara fan club has at least two members then.... :-) By the way, I don't see myself as a "Vandal". I am an individual who stands up & protests against bullies and racists. To all the people here who are getting on their high horse to tell me what you think of my earlier "edits" - put yourself in Shilpa Shettys shoes. Put yourself in the shoes of anyone who has to endure racist/bullying behaviour.... And then you will maybe be entitled to come back and share your opinions with me once more. At the end of the day, I know I am right - O'Meara is a racist bullying thick individual who felt threatened by a more beautiful intelligent woman - and there is nothing you can say that will change that fact.

"At the end of the day, I know I am right." You are completely missing the point, oh wise one. Wikipedia is not about right and wrong. Wikipedia is about truth, and truth that's always documented in an encyclopedic manner. If you ever get tired of campaigning for racial equality, please take a look at Wikipedia's WP:NPOV policy. And for the record, regardless of what you "see yourself" as, for as long as you are making unwanted edits to this article, you are a vandal. Please get yourself a better hobby. LibLord 20:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Frankly, I'm not interested in judging this woman. I am interested in maintaining a decent article that states the facts objectively. Certainly, the libel you have posted up are not allowed. What you are doing is contrary to the rules of this website. If you won't work within the rules, then don't edit here. Run your own website or blog to vent your anger there. This is meant to be an encyclopaedia and what you are doing is undermining that work. As I said, go away and shout somewhere else. Or this page will be protected from anonymous editing and you will be blocked from editing. It is not a request, it is laying down the law.--Conjoiner 20:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

'allegedly racial sentiments'

What does that mean? I've never heard that phrase used before to describe this. It sounds like a euphemism or compromised phrase for 'racist comments'. Let's not allude to things - either say outright or not at all. Lets be more clear, and pop a citation in too. MRSC • Talk 15:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

It is debateable whether her comments were racist or just ignorant, hence "allegedly".--Conjoiner 15:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

No. Even a little child knows what they are doing. Jo O'Meara is a highly successful business woman. However, it should be pointed out that she is a minor player, and not in the same category and the ringlinder, Danielle Lloyd. Wallie 07:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Classism

Surely she has been accused of classist rather than elitist remarks - I have made this change in the article. I don't think we could find a source alleging elitism, but for classism - Trevor Phillips: "What we are seeing is a noxious brew of old-fashioned class conflict, straightforward bullying, ignorance and quite vicious racial bigotry," (quoted in Danielle Lloyd article). Saluton 00:44, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Jo's part in "elitism" or "classism" is debatable. Elitism is more appropriate, as it implies the speaker is above the recipient of the abuse. Classism works both ways. Wallie 14:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Minor role or major role? Bear in mind she said Indians are sick all the time because they don't cook properly

I think that Jo's main involvement is to "go along" with the attitudes of Danielle and Jade. If she is guilty of this, then everyone else in the house is too, as NOT ONE of the others stuck up for Shilpa. Her comments about the food being undercooked are hardly bullying etc., as it may have been undercooked. She could have kept her opinions to herself, though, as Shilpa was doing her best. I do think that Jo is not in the same league as (unrepentant) Danielle, the leader, or the very loud Jade. Wallie 14:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

• I think we need to add a racist or racism category for this girl. Her racist behaviour on this programme was a very significant event in India. I also heard reports of HMV and Virgin removing S Club 7 singles and albums from their shelves (her solo album sold so poorly, I doubt it was still stocked). TMF and Smash Hits have also pulled S Club 7 song "Reach" from their schedules. 86.143.134.17 15:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

• • Hi. She only made comments about Indian food, did she not? Is this really racist. I have heard many non-English make jokes about English "cuisine", but I would not consider them racists. I think that the fact that she was part of the "gang" of three does implicate her, but you have to agree she is not as bad as the other two. Wallie 16:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

• • • No. It was a racist comment about Indians and how they prepare food. It shows a complete lack of understanding of other cultures. And the fact that she won't apologise shows utter contempt over the fact that people were offended. It's like saying "the people who were offended were wrong because I don't have a racist perspective". Well people were offended, and they can't be wrong for that - she won't take back her words, therefore she's currently demonstrating a racist attitude.

In terms of the role of Jo, in the following weeks, it will be seen whether she is considered to have played less of a role (as opposed to whilst she is still in the house). My view is that she has equal culpability given her sneering, laughter (esp when asked for assistance) at Shilpa etc. We are not able to assert with any certainty as to a 'minor role'--ScMeGr 20:07, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Again, adding a reference to a 'minor role' is not NPOV and should be removed asap. --ScMeGr 01:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Is it? I think it is the truth. How can you compare a minor criticism of Indian food against the dreadful statements made by Lloyd, and not say she played a minor part. Are you trying to be factual or are just trying to nail Miss O'Meara? Wallie 20:59, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Perfectly factual thank you. --ScMeGr 13:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Subsection? Or change the name of this article to "Jo O'Meara: unrepentent racist pig"?

Not particularly a sub-section which points the racist card, but more lists the racist remarks she has made to Shetty. I have a few but I haven't watched the episodes so there may as well be more. They have something similar for Shetty's wiki page. Unsigned User

Both of the pages of the other two participants have subsections devoted to the issue. It would seem appropriate to add one here.Buyo 01:16, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

• There was a rumour on Saturday that she has a tatoo of the Nazi symbol on her bum. Any information on this please for the article? We also need to include her poor reception at the eviction; her refusal to attend the press conference; her refusal to follow jade's lead and donate her fee to charity; and her refusal to apologise. Also Heat magazine had a picture of her in a horrible outfit this week, with her fat belly hanging out of some jeans.

• No she does not have a tatoo of the Nazi symbol on her bum. It is a tatoo of a butterfly. Journo1977 05:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I heard that too - a butterfly tattoo, but it's a butterfly in the shape of a swastika. 172.209.90.158 17:41, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

She is racist, but like all proper racists she just doesn't know it because she is stupid

"I'M NOT SORRY AND I'D DO IT AGAIN," she says, defending her comments about Indians being skinny saying: "They should take what I said as a compliment." See here and judge for yourselves: http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_headline=exclusive-bb-jo%2D-i%2Dm-not-sorry-and-i%2Dd-do-it-again%26method=full%26objectid=18541354%26siteid=62484-name_page.html

I think she may have picked this idea up from someone/somewhere else, and just blurted it out. Of course it is a silly statement, and I hope she has learnt something. By the way, I do know some fat Indians too... (need to lose some weight myself...). Wallie 13:38, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it was just "blurted out" - the above statement was part of an interview she gave to a newspaper some time after leaving the house. It was to clarify that she meant her previous statements, rather than a moment in which she wasn't being lucid. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.37.7.247 (talk) 19:56, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

Just take this page down

Best of all would be to remove Jo O'Meara's wiki page. She is racist (DEEPLY, UNAPOLOGETICALLY RACIST) and a bad influence on potential fans. She should get out of the limelight, and this page taken down. She has no right to be immortalised to such an extensive degree.

• No, we need to report on the truth. Jo's vileness is there for all to see. She has betryaed all those who stuck by her and continued to buy her albums and singles. Also note that her agent died on Sunday, sending her into further depression (it was on Teletext page 140 today). I think her career is in ruins anyway, she only was successful in S Club becuase the likes of Rachel and Tina were more attractive for the boys. She is also heavily in debt.

• • What a catty statement. Wallie 13:40, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Being racist is not one of the criteria for deleting pages. If anything, the Big Brother controversy only makes her even more notable. If you are still interested in having the page deleted, follow the instructions at WP:AFD. Tra (Talk) 22:33, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

To add to these comments, I would like to see official comment from the race relations board that would in fact prove or disprove the statements made verbally by those accused of racism in the house to Shilpa and the comments made not directly to Shilpa but instead by those same three people Jade, Danielle and Jo, in my experience as a teacher and having to attend courses on equal opportunities I feel that it may all be down to ignorance and the way the education system works in the west. We generate hatred for those with backgrounds from the Indian continent in the press by stereotypical reporting techniques by the likes of the Daily Mail and strangely enough THe Sun, who have come out to attack this type of hatred in recent editions of their paper. Scrogg 20:47, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

TO TRUE! What a bunch of hypocrites! The Sun spews out racism every second day, and then says that it is against racism. Some of the staff there would make excellent politicians. Wallie 13:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Posting on forums?

Allegedly has been posting over the past couple of days on the offical C4 Celebrity Big Brother forum under the name of "9791MOJ" (her initials and birthyear written backwards). Uncomfirmed if it is the actual person herself tho, a close friend or family member, or just an obsessive fan. Originally there was a long post made by this person (now removed), where on 3 or more parts they "slipped up" and would change from typing "Jo" "her" "she" etc to typing "me" and "I" etc. Has posted a few things on there that she has then gone on to say in interviews in newspapers and magazines afterwards. A copy of the original post by "her" on there (complete with contradictions) can be found below. Journo1977 23:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Original post:

Regarding Jo, for The Record...

Jo isn't and never has been a racist. The show was badly edited to make her look like one. I've read a lot of the hurtful, angry comments directed at her today on this forum. Please guys, you have it all wrong. Do you think former bandmate Bradley Mcintosh would have been going on programs to campaign & support me if she was racist? Jo has a cousin that is married to an Indian man. Her cousins are even half Indian, and they are both with me all the time. Yes She didn't click with Shilpa. Yes Jo was irritated by Shilpa a lot of the time. Why does it have to be a racist thing tho? Why can't Jo just get annoyed with Shilpa without it having to be because she is racist? Does this mean in this day and age that one person can not dislike someone and not gel with them if they are in a different ethnic group or of a different race? Are we only allowed to get aggrivated by people from our own culture, race and background?

And as for the giggling. Jo doesn't find it at all funny. And nerves do make her giggle. It's the way she deals with her nerves and awkward situations. She would always go into fits of laughter before we went out to perform in S Club. People thought she was on something that she shouldn't have been.

I still don't see what it is that I have supposed to have done that is racist? I don't see it. Yes, Jo was irritated by Shilpa and didn't get on so well. There was no racism tho. You the public was made to think this by Big Brother. You've been conned and you've fallen for it.

Take care, stay safe & be lucky.

PS - I am not racist.

This could possibly be added if it was confirmed by another source, e.g. a newspaper or a website. A forum post on its own, however, is not a reliable source. Even if it was confirmed, it probably shouldn't be added as posting on a forum is not something very notable. Tra (Talk) 22:29, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that it is fair enough to add this comment, after all, there are some highly suspect comments previously, which are unopposed, amongst calling Jo "vile", which to my mind is way over the top. The truth is probably that Jo didn't play this game of being under constant scrutiny very well. The treatment of Shilpa may be borderline racism - the above text said "Jo was irritated by Shilpa and didn't get on so well". Is this due to a different culture? Maybe. However, I do not believe that Jo is fundamentally a bad person, and the facts should be pointed out in this article in a balanced way, not just going after someone, as it is trendy or because we hate them. Wallie 13:32, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Shit, that's such an obvious troll post I can't believe anyone would actually fall for it. I've seen several of these type of posts made recently by alleged "Jo-supporters", who then include a few (deliberate) errors to give the false impression that it's actually Jo. Every single one of those statements had already been made by genuine Jo-fans before Jo even left the house, so they weren't a surprise when Jo said them in interviews. It's just some kid trying to wind people up. It appears he's done extremely well if people are propogating that dumb post over the internet (ie Wikipedia) 172.159.118.187 20:59, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I've definitely seen that statement before, either in one of O'Meara's fan sites, or on Digital Spy - but I have definitely seen it before! Jaycey 16:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Slot machines

"indulge in her hobby of playing the slot machines in her home town of Romford. [citation needed]"

is this just an insult or is there any truth to this as a hobby? sounds to me that its someones joke?GazMan7 15:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Allegedly she ran up huge gambling debts last year, which is why her house is being repossessed (there were newspaper stories about it at the time). Jaycey 13:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Here's one of the articles from Feb 1, 2006 in the Sun: Link.--Bigdaddyhame 03:00, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I had removed the original comment when no one provided a source but i have readded the info about gambling and sourced it with the link above --Amxitsa 19:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

There was another report in The People last week with her ex-fiance saying Jo O'Meara had lost all her money through her gambling addiction. [1]. Should be added as another reference as it's so recent and by someone who knows O'Meara well.

I thought she was probaby a gambling addict when Davina introduced her on Celebrity Big Brother and said her hobby was playing fruit machings - even if that is her hobby, it's not the kind of thing most people would want to admit on national TV. 172.159.118.187 20:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Impending mental collapse

Given her recent GMTV and Sky Television interviews, it might be a good idea to include some write-up on her apparent psychological instability. She had a panic attack in the house, as was shown, too. In the Sky interview [which was horrid, the interviewer was leading her on] she admitted contemplating suicide. Sky News Interview --Bigdaddyhame 18:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think anyone should make judgements on her mental health, but just report the facts as they stand. I watched the Sky News interview in which she said she had been told she was "not well" and was scared of mirrors and helicopters. However, I don't think it is necessary to claim this is a "mental collapse" - she might quickly recover or, if you want to be deeply cynical, she could be exagerrating her problems to attract public sympathy. It is not for us to decide.--Conjoiner 19:44, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Bias of the article?

This section:

O’Meara never intended to offend anybody, and she never had the intention of harming Shilpa despite what many people thought. Jo's real personality was not shown, the Celebrity Big Brother Crew manipulated and edited the videos to made fake situations, an example of this is that in the her Eviction night, she hugged Shilpa in two times, which was not show in the TV broadcast.

In a Heat Magazine interview O’Meara said love after the show was a "living hell" and she couldn’t go to her house, being enclosed in a hotel for weeks. To make matters worse, her first interview after the show was also edited and this did little to help her image.

At this time, she suffered phobias with helicopters and mirrors, and she had to take medication (like Prozac). In some interviews she was asked that if she had tried to commit suicide, she denied this, but later in another interview with “The News of The World” she admitted that she had.

Putting words in her mouth isnt it ? Not exactly the neutral viewpoint that wikipedia usually takes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.219.186 (talk) 12:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

• Indeed. As well sourced and cited material was also pulled out. I've reverted back some distance to it. Tabercil (talk) 18:46, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

• The above quotes were actually from my re-edit of someone else's, I came to this page after most of that information was taken out so never saw that. I simply re-edited the edit by the person who removed it, as it was very dodgy and poorly worded. The article even ended with "we hope for more Jo news soon". 74.65.39.59 (talk) 19:47, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
  • And thank you for the correction... when I rolled back I didn't see the edit about Rachel Stevens. Tabercil (talk) 20:52, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Removed suicide claims

I have removed the suicide claims as she has denied that she has done it. Please only post facts rather than making this a bias article to sympathize with her racist comments. This is not a bloody magazine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.222.121.124 (talk) 04:33, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Wording in "Accusations of racist bullying" section

In this section I changed "verbal attack on Shilpa by Jade" to "argument between Shilpa and Jade". I felt it was unfair to refer to the incident as a "verbal attack" because: a) Rude and deliberately hurtful things were said by both Jade and Shilpa. and b) The exchange was started by Shilpa. I think it's sort of slanderous to say that Ms. O'Meara said that "the verbal attack had made her day and she felt better for it" Madritor (talk) 22:09, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

East London vs Essex

Jo O'Meara was born in the LONDON BOROUGH OF HAVERING in the ceremonial county of GREATER LONDON. Romford/Ilford have not been in the County of Essex since 1965. This is an ENCYLOPAEDIA, based on facts not opinions. Stop reverting to out of date information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.194.160.45 (talk) 12:48, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

POV

"A 20-year old white man was arrested, and the attack was thought to have been motivated by her Celebrity Big Brother antics (the city being well known for its Asian community)."

This should be edited, maybe the person was drunk and thought they were crap, unless we have more info, lets stick to the facts. SoWhatIsThis (talk) 06:38, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Well it has been nine days and no comment, I will remove "(the city being well known for its Asian community)" as this adds nothing and implies racism, we don't need that here. SoWhatIsThis (talk) 04:38, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Crazy Big Brother crap

There seems to be an excess of information about joe on Big Brother, how can we have a page where 1/3 is about a few weeks on a tv program, she was in a big group (in the UK). I don't wont to edit this page because I don't care about S club 7 or joe but this page needs editing, The stuff about big brother needs to be on another page not 2 links plus a third of an article. This is an example of "crap wikepedia", i hope we get a discussion about improving this page because if we don't, then i'm gona have to do it and that will mean a lot of deleations. Lets talk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SoWhatIsThis (talk • contribs) 05:29, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

We might be able to boil that section down a little further, given that there's two separate articles elsewhere on the controversy. But you do any search on Google News about Jo for any articles about her since the controversy, and they pretty much all mention it. So we do need to have a clear section detailing what occured. Tabercil (talk) 13:33, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

True but that is Googles problem and mostly background noise, Google gave me 64,100,000 results for "world is flat" but I'm not going to claim the world is flat based on that and the fact that there were 5 zeros makes me wonder about googles accuracy. Anyway I think we can reduce the "racism accusation" to a few sentances with links to the other pages. Joe may be racist, I don't know but I keep coming back to the fact that it was a program, 1-2 weeks and takes up more room than here life & career. That to me seems weird & wrong.

Anyway, my opinion is that this page needs editing, I will wait for the opinions of others (there is no rush) and hopefully we can work out what needs to be done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SoWhatIsThis (talk • contribs) 03:13, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Completely disagree. Her disgrace on this show is a major part of her notoriety. Many people who are not familiar with her music will know of her only through this (ie people from a wider age group than her fans). In fact, there is insufficient prominence given to the incident - and it seems to have been played down by some weasily editing. Compare the article on Danielle Lloyd. There should be a statement about the public outcry at the time and how she was one of the most hated women in the country. Winkmann99 (talk) 10:17, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

While the subjct of her Big Brother appearance and the controversy needs to be covered, we shouldn't add undue weight to it. It was something that got blown out of proportion at the time, and it's not our job to start fanning the flames again. TheRetroGuy (talk) 11:59, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

"It was something that got blown out of proportion at the time"...POV! Record number of complaints to Ofcom; early day motion in House of Commons; protest by Indian government; riots in Delhi. The point is that her actions in January 2007 has given her far more notoriety than her pop career has.Winkmann99 (talk) 22:50, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

You illustrate my point perfectly. Far too much attention and time was devoted to it when in relity it was akin to a bunch of schoolgirls bitching about and bullying a classmate who's richer/better looking/more successful than they were ever likely to be themselves. Unpleasant as it was to watch, I think jealousy rather than racism was the prime motive. And O'Meara was by no means the ringleader. We have to be careful here that we don't give undue weight to this. It gave her notoriety, but is her notoriety the most important thing? She'd had a career for several years before her Big Brother appearance, and I believe she continues to enjoy some success now. Balance - as opposed to sensationalism - is the key here. TheRetroGuy (talk) 23:17, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I think you've missed the point. It's not for us to judge whether one form of notoriety is more legitimate, worthwhile or valid than another. That's entirely subjective and can't be done in an encyclopedia - that's for an opinion piece. You seem to be trying to do that. "It gave her notoriety, but is her notoriety the most important thing?" Well, yes actually in the context of an article. Her pop career hasn't, as far as I know, resulted in a parliamentary debate or a diplomatic incident between two countries. It's immaterial whether YOU think it was a storm in a teacup or 'sensationalism'. You may or may not be right but the point is that it happened with those national and international consequences. Res ipsa loquitur. It's also immaterial whether "jealousy rather than racism was the prime motive". It's the consequences that's more important. Or do you think a forgettable pop career is more noteworthy than a political and international firestorm however short lived? Apparently you do. Winkmann99 (talk) 09:24, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually I have a suggestion which might satisfy everyone (?!). My objection to what's currently written is that although there is a lot of text it doesn't convey the significance of the event (probably from previous editing by people wanting to play it down). In any event, it's currently a bit of a dog's breakfast. The person who started the thread thought that there was too much of it compared to her career in a "big group" (!!!). My suggestion is to delete all of the text (from "O'Meara was the fourth person to enter the Celebrity Big Brother house on 3 January 200" to "She also claimed that her reason for entering the house was to help save her home, which had been threatened with repossession") and replace it with something much shorter along the lines of the following under the heading "Appearance on Celebrity Big Brother 2007": "In January 2007 she appeared on Celebrity Big Brother. Along with Jade Goody and Danielle Lloyd, she was accused of racist and bullying behaviour toward Shilpa Shetty resulting in a record number of complaints to Ofcom, extensive national and international media coverage, and condemnatory statements from the British and Indian governments. See Main article: Celebrity Big Brother racism controversy". And leave it at that.Winkmann99 (talk) 10:06, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

That sounds ok. It gives the facts and gets to the nub of what was going on, and the article does need some attention. My concern (at the risk of repeating myself) was that we don't want to make too much of a thing about it and should maintain a balanced article. Articles that give unnecessary weight to controversies and events have a danger of appearing to be partisan. If you wanted to request a third opinion on this then I would encourage you to do that. I've always found that this can be quite useful in deciding on which direction to take a piece. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 11:57, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't seem any need if you have no objection to the proposed edit - we appear to be in agreement. I'll wait a few days to see if there is any other comment and make the change then. Winkmann99 (talk) 12:15, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

ok, cool. TheRetroGuy (talk) 12:45, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

About the only thing I'd do is make sure there's a link to Celebrity Big Brother racism controversy which explains the whole thing in greater detail. Tabercil (talk) 16:03, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

now done (with minor tweaks)Winkmann99 (talk) 13:54, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I quite like it now as you've cut a lot of the superfluous stuff out. Could do with a reference or two though so I'll see what I can find. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 20:05, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

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