Talk:Jeremy MacKenzie (activist)

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Article contains no evidence of any "activism"[edit]

The article does not contain any information with respect to him being an "activist". Further, If allegations regarding Diagolon are true, "activist" might also be seen as whitewashing advocacy of extremist views. I suggest that the page be moved to "Jeremy MacKenzie (veteran)", "Jeremy MacKenzie (podcaster)", or "Jeremy MacKenzie (influencer)", etc. Probably "veteran" is the most NPOV. Otherwise, evidence of his "activism" should be added to the article. Bueller 007 (talk) 01:43, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that activist might be a bit too kind. I chose the word and tried to be as neutral as possible. But indeed, the article didn't use the word, that was my paraphrasing. I've added a source that does use the word activist, but I'm open minded to a better way to disambiguate that is less whitewash-y. CT55555(talk) 23:11, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

News today gave his middle name. Do you agree that we should move to Jeremy Mitchell MacKenzie? CT55555(talk) 23:51, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Bueller 007 did you see my question above? CT55555(talk) 13:20, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We don't use middle names in the title unless the person is widely known by including their middle name. So, no. Bueller 007 (talk) 18:09, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. I mistakenly thought we used them for disambiguation purposes. Since your comment I looked into it further and see you are correct: WP:MIDDLENAME CT55555(talk) 23:09, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alt-right label is slanderous[edit]

All sources of "alt-right" labeling for Jeremy MacKenzie and Diagolon can be traced back to a single point of origin - the Canadian Anti-Hate Network, an Antifa associated left wing propogandist organization funded by the Liberal government. All media articles seem to point back to the same unreliable source- either Evan Balgord or Peter Smith of the CAHN.

Diagolon and the Plaid Army are a bunch of right wing comedians, watch their streams and do your own research do not listen to the woke crowd. Billfleury (talk) 21:19, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The guidance at WP:OR explains why wikipedia cannot be informed by anyone's own research. Instead, to avoid bias and any preference for anyone's point of view, we use what reliable sources (reliable news sources etc) say.

The alt-right label is what The Star Phoenix wrote here.

The far-right label is a quote from the Public Safety Minister of Canada, and is cited to here.

I don't see anything cited to Canadian Anti-Hate Network in this article, although I think it would be a reasonable source to use. I notice their website mentioned they received Canadian government funding until 2022, but not now.

Slander is a type of defamation, i.e. making false statement. The claims in the article are cited to reliable sources. I don't think anything here is Slanderous. But I do appreciate you raising your concerns on the talk page and other editors can now also share their views. CT55555(talk) 21:36, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article from the Phoenix Star does not cite where they got "alt-right" from - Jeremy MacKenzie would definitely not refer to his group as alt-right so the article is incorrect. They are working based on the information that has been spread amongst the media that was sourced from CAHN. Billfleury (talk) 22:23, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We do not edit wikipedia based on what people say about themselves. Individuals are not independent unbiased narrators on themselves, they are the opposite of that. We write it based on what reliable sources say about people (see WP:RS). For example, Justin Trudeau should not be editing the article on himself. Journalists form their own conclusions, they don't just regurgitate propaganda. I would assume that the journalist read CAHN in their preparation for the article and decided for themselves if the reports there were accurate or not. CT55555(talk) 22:29, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How is this person an activist?[edit]

I do not see any activism by this person? I believe he runs a far right anti-Semitic and white supremacist group called Diagolon. Wikipedia lists Diagolon as a far right extremist militia. Why has this guys page been whitewashed? 68.146.130.74 (talk) 04:54, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I wish you had continued the conversation at the topic above which is exactly the same topic. I struggled with how to disambiguate him and chose "activist" as a neutral term. "Activist" doesn't mean good or bad and we need a one-word disambiguation to distinguish the article from Jeremy Mackenzie. All suggestions are welcome. Note that "activist" is what reliable sources call him:

"Far-right activist Jeremy MacKenzie"
"far-right political activist"

CT55555(talk) 10:41, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]