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August 2017[edit]

Army Size -5000 units seems to be a very big number for a private army. There should be proof on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.25.178.4 (talk) 05:39, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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This page currently has only four refs attached, the first is a link to an episode of the "History Channel Asia", the second ref has no url, just a (title? quote?) that states: "Johor prince gets Green beret", a wikilink to New Straits Times, that is piped to read "New Sunday times" and a date (publication date?) of "30 October 2011". (It was added by "Quickbar" on 1 September 2018, along with the History TV ref, so maybe they can help out and expand & claify these for us.)

The third ref is in Malay, but it's from blogspot, so I don't know how helpful that will be. (That one was added by an IP address that belongs to the Royal Malaysian Police.)

The fourth and final ref is a photo gallery on a website that claims to be a Malaysian arms supplier and the pics are indeed of a bunch guys with guns apparently having a range day. (That was added Kistara back on 11 September 2022.

That police account hasn't been active since 2019, but perhaps one, or both, of the editors I pinged above will respond, as they're both currently active, and help to get this article properly sourced. - wolf 03:06, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just added one or two more references, will try to improve this page with more and reliable references in the future. Kistara (talk) 04:35, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Kistara: Thank you for responding so quickly, and for adding those sources, they are helpful. So, the JMF itself is a military unit/household guard, that is primarily charged with protection of the royal family, (sort of like a combo of the US Secret Service and the US Marine Barracks, Washington, D.C., that provide guards for the White House). While the JMF itself was established over a hundred years ago, it was in 2008 that the Crown Prince, after undergoing military training, both home and aboard in India, decided to add a special operations capable platoon to the JMF. While it appears that their "Elite Platoon" is SF, that doesn't mean the entire JMF is SF. (Nor should it expected to be. The Secret Service has a Special Operations Division, but we don't label the entire service as the " U.S. Secret Elite Super Tactical Special Oprtations Service".) For these reasons, I believe some re-writing is needed to make these distinctions clear, and the page should be moved from "JMF Elite Forces" to "Johor Military Force". The desired outcome would be to have the page under the new name and the article re-written to make clear what the JMF is and how it came to be, and then have a sub-section for the Crown Prince's "Elite Platoon", spelling out that it's spec-op capable, and what it's mission is.

And with that, I'll leave it there for now. The page is on my watch-list and I'll check in again soon. - wolf 07:32, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the link that I provided as a reference, it is a newspaper article. Due to the bankruptcy of some Malaysian newspaper companies, I can no longer locate it on the internet. But I presume the National Archives of Malaysia has archived its physical form. Additional blogspot's references from an IP address belonging to the Royal Malaysian Police are duplicates of the references that I listed. However, it is written in Malay and comes from a different newspaper, Utusan Malaysia. Its content is essentially the same as that of the New Straits Times. Sadly, Utusan Malaysia also went bankrupt. JMF Elite Forces is an official Johor Military Forces unit. They are equivalent to the USMC Force Recon, whose duties differ from those of other marines. Quickbar (talk) 11:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]