Talk:Islamic advice literature

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Just for record[edit]

4.pdf This reference of Ramezannia, Mehrdad (2010-07-28). "Persian Print Cultur". INFLIBNET^[1] indicates diwans, akhlaq, insha, ma/fitzat, nasihat are part of advice literature and not vice versa. This clears confusion in my own mind and validates separate notability of Islamic advice literature article.

Bookku (talk) 03:19, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/handle/10603/18867

Scholars in subject of Islamic advice literature & useful refs[edit]

Lambton and Dawood ^[1]
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The Princeton Encyclopedia of Islamic Political Thought edited by Gerhard Bowering, Patricia Crone, Mahan Mirza, Wadad Kadi, Devin J. Stewart, Muhammad Qasim Zaman; Google books
Mirrors for Princes and Sultans: Advice on the Art of Governance in the Medieval Christian and Islamic Worlds; Comparative www.kellogg.northwestern.edu Research paper PDF

Kelley Pemberton Islamic and Islamicizing Discourses:Ritual Performance, Didactic Texts,and the Reformist Challenge in the SouthAsian Sufi Milieu; minds.wisconsin.edu PDF
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324250380_Marriage_the_Islamic_advice_literature_and_its_women_readers

Bookku (talk) 11:32, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You may want to see template:refideas, instead of making new discussion sections just for references. -- Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 14:30, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Advice on the Art of Governance: An Indo-Islamic Mirror for Princes : Mauʻiẓah-i Jahāngīrī of Muḥammad Bāqir Najm-i S̲ānī. (1989). United States: State University of New York Press.

Just for record (Comments by Chrisvacc)[edit]

In brief, before placing templates of worldwide view and tone by Chrisvacc we had a healthy discussion; Chrisvacc felt that, "..article is written from an Islamic perspective and would be difficult for someone outside of that culture to read it...", and I did agree on some difficulties and that I am inviting more editors to support the article in my reply.

As such 16 refs used up til now Authors of reference sources seem to be from many diverse background with names like Saud al-Sarhan, Singh, Ali Pirzadeh, Larry Clark etc. But still unknowingly a selection bias may come from Wikipedia editor; My case is more than selection bias it is more a case of article still being incomplete, I have already invited many users from diverse backgrounds since I also wish Wikipedia to have an inclusive and balance good article on this topic and hope wish and request other editors from diverse backgrounds to work on this article.

Thanks and greetings

Bookku (talk) 07:19, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Bookku, I appreciate your call to get more editors involved and hope you have success with improving this article. I don't think I will be able to do much editing myself, but wanted to make some comments in case they are helpful. I agree that the article is currently difficult for someone to understand if they (like me) have very little familiarity with Islam, but I think it might not be a problem with what sources are used, but rather with the way the article is written. It is hard to understand what things mean unless one already knows a lot about the topic. Adding more context at a simpler level would help. You could look at articles like fable or dictator novel to see how simple/basic the explanation gets.

For example, advice literature is defined in contrast to "Fiqh Tafsir and Fatwa, or Nasîhat based on them": but what are Fiqh Tafsir, Fatwa, and Nasîhat? It would be very helpful to wikilink relevant articles, and perhaps provide an English-language explanation, e.g., "Fatwa (nonbinding opinion on a point of Islamic law)."

The main body of the article could also be made clearer by through organizing the information and explaining how it is relevant to the idea of advice literature. For example, perhaps a section that is "Examples of Islamic advice literature." Or maybe "Subjects addressed by Islamic advice literature"? If there is a non-English term for Islamic advice literature (the way that adab is sort of a term for "literature" but with its own meanings), a history of the term would be useful context too.

I don't think I understand the current article material well enough to do this re-organizing -- it would take someone with more background knowledge -- but that might be a useful way to approach editing. I wish you the best of luck! ~ oulfis 🌸(talk) 07:29, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Oulfis, Thanks for very constructive and helpful response. In fact I am pleased you took so much interest in the article and analyzed point wise for us. I will try to incorporate points suggested by you in best possible way.

After some weeks and more improvement I will get back to you for further feed back. Thanks, best wishes and greetings.

Bookku (talk) 08:41, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Hermeneutics of feminism in Islam[edit]

Hi,

I came across this promising Draft:Hermeneutics of feminism in Islam (relating to women's rights) and myself supported the same editorially too. IMO since topic potential is vast many Reliable sources on Google scholar seem to be available hence the article needs more editorial hands for some more update and expansion along with appropriate references.

Pl. do join to update and expansion, your help will be most welcome.

Thanks and regards

Bookku (talk) 15:00, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Persecution of Ibn Taymiyyah[edit]

Bookku wanted to mention the persecution of Ibn Taymiyyah at this article. Can you please explain what points about that persecution you wanted to make here? Sorry if you stated them elsewhere and I missed them.VR _talk 00:32, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is lot of scope for exploring about 'Human rights' in Islamic advice literature arena. Bookku (talk) 12:16, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Should child adoption be included?[edit]

Booku? Should we include child adoption on this advisory topic? Sylvester Millner (talk) 23:46, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Sylvester Millner Thanks for your interest in the article. IMO, this article in itself is not advice giving article but is about process of creation, types, dissemination of advice literature and it's influence on society. It's better to cover advice on individual aspect in related individual articles for example Islamic adoptional jurisprudence in this case. But how advice literature on Islamic adoptional jurisprudence influenced Muslim societies? shall be concern of this Islamic advice literature article.

May be you paraphrase what you have with citation and write here. We can discuss if that is suitable to this article or in Islamic adoptional jurisprudence. Happy editing. Bookku (talk) 04:05, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Short description not precise - inadequate[edit]

This edit dif adds Short description :"Collections of stories or anecdotes on various aspects of Islam"

This sounds not precise enough and inadequate to me.

In a way article title itself is short and speaks for itself. Does it need a different Short description? In that case which another one can be better one? Any suggestions?

Bookku (talk) 07:32, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/handle/10603/18867

[2] Advice on the Art of Governance: An Indo-Islamic Mirror for Princes : Mauʻiẓah-i Jahāngīrī of Muḥammad Bāqir Najm-i S̲ānī. (1989). United States: State University of New York Press.

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