Talk:Inuyasha/Archive 4

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Are we a cult?

216.248.74.134 (talk · contribs) added this article to Category:Cult television series, effectively claiming that we are a cult. I doubt that. What do you think? JRSpriggs 03:17, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

No. A cult television series is a series that was unpopular (financial income typically being the indicator) among much of mainstream society but that has a devoted fanbase. Since Inuyasha was a commercial success both domestically and abroad, it is not a cult series. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.241.141.42 (talk) 10:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

An Inquiry

Perhaps this is something of a strange entry to this article's many talk pages, but hear me out. As is, this article and the many articles under it are extremely extensive (I shudder to think what might happen when the Wiki purists get a hold of this and start nominating half of the lot for deletion as "non-notable"), however, I have noticed a glaring debacle. As a casual watcher of the anime since its run commenced some years ago in the States, gleaning information from relevant informational pages is difficult since little or no distinction separates instances and happenings in the animation from those in the manga, which I, and I imagine many other Wiki perusers, have not read. This makes many of the current articles, especially those on the main characters, slightly confusing to read, nevermind foiling plot aspects of the illustrated books (though that's mostly just whining on my part). Since this series, or rather, franchise, has two diverging continuities depending on the presented media, would it be unreasonable to suggest an initiative to split this article and the articles under it into continuity-specific versions of their current selves? You may wish to peruse the Fullmetal Alchemist series of articles for an example. Minor tangent, I also happen to believe those articles are better written, but we'll save that for another discussion. MalikCarr 11:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, for what its worth, I think the Fullmetal alchemists articles are actually a really bad example to point to. They are written for die-hard fanatical followers of the series who care about every tiny detail of difference between the anime and the manga to the point where they are almost impossible for a casual reader to understand or even find useful. They mostly seem to be useful for the people who wrote them or who already know the content in them. The same information is endlessly duplicated in an absurd level of detail.

Its also going to be difficult to apply that sort of model to these articles because of the difference in scale. There are 167 anime episodes and probably near 500 chapters of manga out there. The plot of both are roughly the same for the casual reader. Rewriting every single article to follow an anime/manga split will blow up the content to many times its current size. It will also introduce the fullmetal articles flaw of producing "summaries" so extensive that they summarize nothing.

The style in the fullmetal alchemist articles is also often terrible. example: "Small wonder, then, that Edward is known as The Fullmetal Alchemist." or "He’s not about to surrender it to a representative of the State Military". Rather than giving facts, the fullmetal articles seem (as per the examples) seem to be wanting to do something else. Articles are not supposed to be platform for amatures to create dramatic narratives. 12.96.162.45 18:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

End of Series?

Does anyone know exactly why the series ended? All that's offered in the article about it is an anecdote, since it is missing a citation. What happened? Why was it discontinued? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AJFederation (talk • contribs) 14:11, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

The best answer is probably declining ratings in Japan. Not bad ratings, but a trend toward decline that made the people in charge think they could do better with something new.

I'll also offer some opinion. The show ended when it did because it kind of burned itself out. If the rate of episode production had been a little slower at certain points in the life of the series or the manga had been further ahead, I think it would have gone on longer. 12.96.162.45 18:28, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

i thought it ended because the producer died and the staff didnt want to continue with out them--Zetsuie 23:22, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I just want to to know if they will resuming making episodes for the anime series since it ended on what I feel was a really lousy note. It calls to mind Brian's description of the Blair Witch Project in Family Guy: "Its over. A lot of people in the audience look pissed." TomStar81 (Talk) 23:53, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Inclusion of external links

I received a message that the link I added to the external links section was not appropriate. I had submitted http://www.inuyasha-fan.com to the list because it contains a good deal of information on the subject, and has an active user base. I am not sure if the addition was somehow considered spam, but that was not the intention. I consider it a good site in terms of what it contains, and it seems to be popular. Could someone tell me why it, in particular, is innapropriate, while the others are not? Thank you. 68.107.186.31 00:35, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Where does the anime end in the manga story

hey does any body know what manga chapters does the last episdoe cover --Zetsuie 23:29, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

The anime ended at Chapter(s) 353-355.

• 353 16 Ogre's Rock
• 354 17 Unbreakable Wall
• 355 18 Using the Fragment —The preceding unsigned comment was added by YATAnshin! (talk • contribs) 18:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

Wait, if the manga goes up to chapter 355, how come the List of Inuyasha Chapters here only shows up to 288? -- Xagzan

Because (if you read) the list is only of the VIZ English translations....the manga does exceed 500 chapters in Japan (and unofficial translations).--88wolfmaster 02:51, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Should we semi-protect this article?

Should we semi-protect this article? There are too many edits, some of them are useless, some of them are not discussed beforehand. Yesterday there was a useless edit, I believe. By useless I mean things that don't contribute or vandalism. --C7796E2C 00:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Spelling of Tetsusaiga

It's Tetsusaiga people, the "u" is a whisper vowel, so the sound kind of disappears, but they spelled it that way on the English anime, and that way translates into something in Japanese (I talked to someone who had just returned from living in Japan for 5 years about this, he's certain). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.133.169.234 (talk • contribs) 04:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Huh? The current article (Tessaiga) provides a believable explanation, I don't think there's any confusion. てつさいが　("te-tsu-sai-ga") (Viz) vs. てっさいが ("te-ssai-ga") (original), silly mistake, but we do have two different spellings because of it... Sergei Klink 03:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

We have to make sure it is properly sourced - maybe make Takahashi explain. WhisperToMe 08:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

It's T-e-s-s-a-i-g-a, trust me. Viz used Tetsusaiga because that's what THEY thought it was, as that's what it came out as when translated. Later, they discovered that this was a serious mistake, but that was the offical name they had already chosen. It was too late to change it to it's proper spelling, T-e-s-s-a-i-g-a. Most die hard InuYasha fans use this spelling, as it IS correct, as opposed to T-e-t-s-u-s-a-i-g-a.

Shouldn't official spelling be put above intended spelling?--70.212.28.73 00:11, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, unless the offical spelling is an error. Then the intended spelling should be used, as that is what was SUPPOSED to be used, until somebody screwed up.

Shonen or Shojo?

To raise this topic again. InuYasha is very similar to shonen stories in its content. However, it is written by a woman, Rumiko Takahashi, and has a female main character, Kagome Higurashi. InuYasha (character) is clearly less sympathetic than Kagome and is forced to obey her. Thus I think that this is a woman's fantasy about how she would like to relate to a man. (InuYasha's paradoxical behavior is due to the mixed motivations of women — they want a powerful, uncaring, and domineering man, but they want to control him.) JRSpriggs 06:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

While that maybe be true, Inuyasha is published in a shounen magazine, and Takahashi refers to Inuyasha as a shounen series in interviews. Shoujo series are also drawn differently and have a different feel to them than Inuyasha. It has more to do with how story is presented than the actual plot.--Slotedpig 16:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

That's right. Plus, every manga she has drawn is for boys. Urusei Yatsura and Ranma 1\2 are both boys series, thus they were published in Shonen Sunday. Maison Ikkoku, despite it's romantic girly feel, is also a manga for males, a seinen manga, as it was published in a magazine targeted at male adults 20-25 years of age. (A seinen magazine) That magazine was Big Comic Spirits. (Just for reference) And InuYasha, while containing romance, is a shonen manga, published, like Takahashi-sensei's first and third manga series, in Shonen Sunday. The romance is not really that important to the plot, it's simply a side story, generated to help keep readers interested. The main plot of killing Naraku is the central storyline. Therfore, InuYasha is NOT a shojo manga. (Otherwise, it would've been serialized, of course, in a shojo magazine)

Birthday

when is inuyasha and kagome's birthday? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.178.67.155 (talk • contribs).

Takahashi-sensei has never explicitly stated when their birthdays are. But since Kagome turned 15 in 1997, which is when the manga takes place (in the present dimension), we can conclude that she was born in 1982. (Which would make her around 24 now!) When, it hasn't been made clear. As for InuYasha, since Takhashi-sensei hasn't made clear WHEN in the Feudal Era the manga takes place (in the past dimension of course), we really can't tell when InuYasha was born. But since he's 500 years old, he had to have been born a long, long, long, long time ago. :P

Setting Section

I think we should add a settings section. what does everyone think?--88wolfmaster 05:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure what you mean. Are you talking about: modern time (Kagome's home and school), normal existence in Feudal Japan, and the after-life? Or what? JRSpriggs 08:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm talking about a section briefly describing common settings in the series (both in modern time and in Feudal Japan). if your still not sure check out Bleach--88wolfmaster 16:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think InuYasha needs a settings section like Bleach. The settings in Bleach need a lot of explanation. The places in the modern age and Sengoku Jidai are pretty straight forward.--Slotedpig 18:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

well we have articles about settings so obviously someone thought they were important enough. I just thought a brief descrition of the settings would make this article more complete. I'll work on an example so everyone could see what i'm proposing.--88wolfmaster 19:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Plot or Introduction

we have a love recap of the first episode plot but I think we would be better off with a brief introduction to the story. If someone wants to know exactly what happened then they can look up episode summaries.--88wolfmaster 02:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Seek protection

ok I've noticed quite a bit of vandalism from anonymous IP addresses. so the question is do we keep undoing the edits or seek protection--88wolfmaster 02:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I am all for using semi-protection on high profile articles like this one since they attract vandalism like rotting meat attracts flies. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to persuade the people at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection to grant it. And then, they tend to withdraw it after a while. JRSpriggs 08:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Declined – There is not enough recent activity to justify protection at this time.--Húsönd 03:33, 30 March 2007 (UTC) --88wolfmaster 18:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to try again...this is crazy.--88wolfmaster 03:33, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Shippo's gender

I've had an argument with a friend of mine over Shippo's gender. I think he's male as this article insinuates; but is there any evidence in the show to prove this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.115.206.253 (talk) 00:56, 8 April 2007 (UTC).

Shippo first appears on page 177 of volume 3 of the manga. The first indication of his gender is on page 181 when Kagome says "He's so cuuuuuute ... can I hug him next?". On page 191, Shippo says "I hate to get rough with a vixen, but ... I need you to sleep for a while!" to Kagome (if he were female he would have no hesitation about hitting another female (vixen = female fox)).

Of course, this could all be obscured by errors in translation. I do not know whether Japanese distinguishes between male and female pronouns or not. Or whether "Shippo" implies male gender in Japanese.

There are many scenes later in the story where Shippo is shown being attracted to girls which is regarded as perfectly normal by the other characters. JRSpriggs 08:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Here's my 2 cents worth (and you see this on the DVD)...in episode 16 when Kagome is in the hot spring, Shippo takes his clothes off to join her but InuYasha grabs him by the tail and then lifts him and pinches his cheeks. While this is occuring Shippo's genitals are clearly visible. DJLon 02:45, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

It is spelled "Tessaiga"

Once and for all I'm putting this to rest because I'm tired of having to change the spelling back again. It is Tessaiga. There is a note at Tessaiga's article page and the talk page [1] explaining the whole matter --88wolfmaster 19:15, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I wish we could put it to rest permanently, but the people who change it will not pay attention to any warning or explanation. JRSpriggs 10:12, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of how it is SUPPOSED to be spelled, the actual spelling used is the form that should appear in the article. Whether it was a mistake or not. This is the English wikipedia and the form used in the English versions of the anime and manga should be used. Showers 06:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Why is this argument even going on? The anime clearly spells it as "Tetsusaiga" - check out episode 34, it spells it with a T. I don't know where you got Tessaiga from 88wolfmaster - it sounds like a double s but in the English language and in many languages too, some things are not spelt the way they are pronounced. Tourskin 03:54, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

It all deals with the mistranslation of tessaiga to the english tetsusaiga. They believe that it should be spelled as Tessaiga as the creator intended it to be. Unfortunately Viz only realized their mistake after alot of the work was already produced. Nevertheless, Tetsusaiga is what shows up on official english tranlations and that's what should be used. Showers 06:57, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Look the simple fact is Tessaiga is the correct translation. I think it is only right that one spelling be used for consistancy, and I believe that I am being fair by ensuring that the tetsusaiga is properly noted as being the common term used in the dubs but only as a result of mistranslation. Tourskin if you wish understand a litte more about the mistranslation click here--88wolfmaster 03:27, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

It's the correct translation, but it is not the spelling that is used. Showers 07:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

new episodes?

so now are they going to make new episodes once the manga gets longer or is it just dead now? Inuxshinedown 02:13, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

My understanding is that the Japanese manga already goes way beyond the anime. So if they were going to do it for that reason, they should already have done it. The (translated) English manga has has not yet caught up with the anime. Although all the English manga has equivalents in the anime (some with significant changes in content or order), there are anime episodes which are not based on the manga. See List of InuYasha chapters for information on the correlation between manga and anime. JRSpriggs 10:13, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Flipped?

Under the manga headline, it says that Viz Media "flips" the comic. This isn't true. I have read and seen the first three volumes of Viz Media's InuYasha (although I'm in Canada, it is not different) and there is no flipping. It is preserved right to left and even tells you if your reading it wrong.

Should this be changed? I can send a photo of my copy with the publisher's name available.

64.114.222.78 03:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC) (that should say Trav1085, I'm not logged in)

No, you are wrong. The original Japanese version reads from right to left. The English translation of the manga read from left to right. Each page is the mirror image of the corresponding page (with changes in the lettering, of course). Perhaps you are looking at the ani-manga which does read from right to left even in the English version. JRSpriggs 07:52, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, InuYasha is in English format. Naruto is in Japanese format. Narutorules^o^ 00:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

-Thanks, I do have the ani-manga. But what does that mean? Should it be noted on the page that they also publish that way?

Travis 20:10, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

For a brief explanation of the difference, see List of InuYasha chapters#Manga versus ani-Manga. I do not think that it is appropriate to mention it here. It is a detail. This page has a pointer to "List of InuYasha chapters" where this is found. JRSpriggs 07:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Covers for movies

I noticed that the movie list uses the English cover for InuYasha the Movie numbers 2, 3, and 4, but the first one uses the Japanese cover. Wouldn't it make more sense to use the English cover for all of them?

(Oops, I meant to make a new topic. Also, how do I post pictures?)

Mathew Williams 02:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Warning -- image of InuYasha is going to be deleted

The image of InuYasha which illustrates InuYasha (character) is going to be deleted unless someone can provide a reason why it is not a copyright violation. Immediate action is needed. JRSpriggs 05:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I don't know anything about copyright laws, or which images are copyrighted and which ones aren't. The current image looks fine to me. Mathew Williams 14:06, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Do not tell me; I agree with you. Tell Yamla (talk · contribs) who is the one who is threatening to delete the image Image:Inuprofile.PNG. JRSpriggs 07:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the image has been deleted. JRSpriggs 03:01, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

88wolfmaster (talk · contribs) has replaced it with a new image. JRSpriggs 02:07, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Trim down Trivia

Looking at the trivia section, it looks like the last two don't pertain to the series. All they are are mentions of things that happened in episodes/chapters and not anything that pertains to the series as a whole. They either should be made more pertinent to the series or deleted completely. The other thing is the third and fourth which are pretty much unencyclopedic. I mean, who (other than fangirls) cares how many times Inuyasha kissed Kagome versus how many times he kissed Kikyo. Seriously? InsaneZeroG 05:35, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Hang on, its part of the story - Inuyasha and Kagome don't admit their feelings; each kiss is very meaningful to the story.Tourskin 02:06, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but that trimming was done some time ago (by someone else). JRSpriggs 08:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Removed Trivia Section. Incorporated info into allusion section in this article and notes under the List of InuYasha episodes article.--88wolfmaster 04:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Inuyasha year

I think the year Inuyasha is in is 1552 or somewhere near it. Base on historical notes I saw while watching the anime like the use of Tanegashimas, the first guns brought in by the Portugueses in 1543 as shown in episode 103. The Samurai leader even said to Jakotsu that he would not know what those are if he was a ghost from 10 years ago, meaning that it was soon after that that the first Portuguese Traders came to Japan. Also in episode 8, Kagome thought the man was Oda Nobunaga in his younger days but was not him but Amari Nobunaga from the Takeda Clan. Amari also made a reference to Oda foolishness as Oda was considered a fool when he was younger. Nobunaga have lived from 1534 to 1582. So that is my theory, what do you think about it? Freedom Fighter 1988 03:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

It's common knowledge that the feudal era date in the series is somewhere in the 1500s, and the dates you just mentioned sound reasonable. I wish I knew the exact date, but somewhere is the 1550 range sounds about right. --Mathew Williams 12:32, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

The article on the plot of InuYasha has been nominated for deletion

The article on the plot of InuYasha has been nominated for deletion. Please go to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plot of InuYasha and express your views on whether Plot of InuYasha is needed. JRSpriggs 08:03, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I regret to inform you that the article "Plot of InuYasha" has been wantonly destroyed as a result of this AfD. JRSpriggs 10:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Well that sucks. Other TV series' have their own plot articles, why did they get rid of this one? --Mathew Williams 09:59, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Before it was destroyed I copied it. I could create a sandbox for it on my talk page and we edit that as the plot page and then when the manga resolves we can recreate the plot page with that. What do you think? 207.69.137.36 20:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

To Mathew: I would guess that this is just the opening salvo in a war against all plot articles.

To 207.69.137.36: I suggest that you become a registered user with a permanent user-id. Otherwise, your sandbox may end up belonging to someone else. Also, you should keep a copy of what you want off-line on your own computer. There have been cases when Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion has been used to delete a user's user page, talk page, sandbox, or whatever. This is done when it contains an extensive amount of material that someone considers to be "unencyclopedic". JRSpriggs 02:50, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I am. I just do not want you guys to know who I am yet. So what do you think of my idea? 207.69.137.21 14:36, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Trying to do by subterfuge (an artifice or expedient used to evade a rule) what you are not allowed to do openly is a great way to get yourself into a lot of trouble.

Why should I talk to someone who is so dishonest that he will not identify himself? JRSpriggs 02:26, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

More Inuyasha episodes

Its true - there is a petition right here:http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/inuyasha.html To get more InuYasha episodes. Fellow Fans, sign it!!! So maybe we should include this somewhere in the article?Tourskin 20:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

That kind of thing might be tolerated here on a talk page, but it would definitely be removed from the article as unencyclopedic. JRSpriggs 02:53, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Not really. Its showing what is currently going on right now. There are many people interested in InuYasha wondering what will happen to the anime which all of a sudden stopped whilst they were hunting Naraku. I am confident that if it came down to a consensus, which I understand it won't, many would want it to stay. In what way is it unencyclopedic?Tourskin 20:19, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I was not saying that I intend to remove it. I was predicting that someone else would remove it (although that has not happened yet). The function of an encyclopedia such as Wikipedia is to inform people about the topic in an objective (i.e. neutral) way. Your petition does not provide any information about the series InuYasha itself, although it could be regarded as giving information about fan reaction to the series. In any case, a petition by its very nature is the opposite of neutral, that is, it is pushing for a particular kind of change. JRSpriggs 01:55, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I admire your neutrality and see your point. I just want more episodes!!!!Tourskin 18:11, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I like the anime, but the manga is better, and I don't really see the point of continuing the anime, despite ending without a conclusion. The story continues in the manga (which is the original story anyway, as opposed to the anime, which is based on it), so I'm satisfied with that. It would take too long to catch up to the manga at this point anyway. --Mathew Williams 07:17, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

The Bicycle

In some episodes of the series I've seen, Kagome brings a bicycle with her into the past, yet no one, not even the peasants, seem to react to it as if it were anything unusual, which they should since bicycles were not invented until the 19th century! Is this a plot hole, or has it been explained somewhere? - Wilfredo Martinez 14:16, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

If you lived in a world where magic and demons were everyday occurrences, would you be astonished by a futuristic machine? JRSpriggs 03:51, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

actually Inuyasha and Miroku make a point about Kagome's wierd contraption - especially Inuyasha who asks Kagome to get rid of "that metal contraption" and use him as a ride, which she does frequently. Besides, what JRSpriggs said too!Tourskin 18:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

You're treading on dangerous ground for mentioning the phrase "plot hole". The phrase usually only refers to the most extreme continuity errors and such. The bicycle is a minor detail, and several characters have reacted to it. Also, like JRSpriggs mentioned, the villagers live in a world full of demons. They aren't going to be overly concerned about a metal contraption. --Mathew Williams 08:09, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Dangerous, eh? Gee, I didn't know posting in Wikipedia was a matter of life or death :p (Sorry, but that comment deserved that.) OK, plot hole is too big a term, since the bicycle isn't important to the story, but you can't tell me that bringing a bicycle into the past and having common people not even notice it isn't a story error. It would be like bringing a flying car to the present and having no one gawk at it. And yes, that IS different than having demons around; especially if the latter have become commonplace (which they haven't, because the IY characters still react with bafflement at the various demon's forms and abilities.) At the very least, the author should either explain the lack of reactions or stop showing it altogether. -Wilfredo Martinez 13:09, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Don't overthink the issue.. just relax and get yourself something better to do..216.99.52.29 22:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Don't attack the dude..! XD They treated at first to Kagoem being weird with the clothes she wore, so the villagers got used to her stuff - they knew she's from the future. And living in a demons' world is enough, just because they gey surprised by there forms (which in Episode 7, Inuyasha wasn't surprised at all about Sesshoumaru's transformation), still wouldn't explain that. Other villagers see a group of a a taijiya (demon slayer), Houshi, fox youkai, a cat, a hanyou and a weird dress girl. The bike is not the thing here.:D Plus, there are times between scenes which might do it, a filler, and, it's a small thing, who cares... plus, before episode 167, she loses her bike, so maybe the author also didn't want the bike. XD —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.81.120.135 (talk) 22:14, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Shonen?

Its hardly a male manga considering the huge Inuyasha and Sesshomaru female fan base out there. Tourskin 18:13, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

• Tourskin, it is serialized in a male manga magazine. Think of the Japanese people! WhisperToMe 21:11, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

So basically its aimed at men, is what ur saying? Nonetheless, if you check out the video websites the vast majority of viewers, at leats from comments, are female.

The magazine the InuYasha manga is published in is called "Shounen Sunday". There's really very little doubt about whether it's shounen or shoujo, which are terms related to the series' target audience in Japan. Plenty of other shounen series have large female fanbases. Philip Reuben 15:10, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Last time I checked, it had a lot of action in it. And blood. I think the majority of men like blood, gore, nudity (in not-so-exteme cases) than the majority of women.

Misunderstandings of demographics. The demographics of manga are not determined by the fan base but what magazine they're published in or what the publisher says it is.--殺人事件(talk) 19:12, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Remove Relationship Sections

Most (if not all) of the character pages have a relationship section. I would like to remove them, on the basis that these sections have no place in an encyclopedic work. Any useful information that is not in-verse, irrelevant, or unsourced claim/original research would be merged into the character pages.--88wolfmaster 03:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I second that. Relationships could probably just be merged into character outlines or something like that. // DecaimientoPoético 03:39, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I think they shouldn't be. A essential part of Inuyasha plot is the relationships between the characters. After all, the whole thing started because of Onigumo's lust for Kikyo and the relationship between Kikyo and Inuyasha. Understanding the various connections between the characters can be daunting for someone who knows nothing of Inuyasha. The relationship section helps sort out the various love triangles (and other shapes. lol)for the wikipedia user.Showers 20:14, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

However, they certainly need to be cleaned up. Removing irrelevant info, asserting a more NPOV, citing sources (episode titles, manga volumes), and cleaning up unnecessary japanese terms to avoid confusion.

What I'm suggesting is that they not appear on every page. If you clean them up properly, then their is no need, merely merge the information on the respected character's pages. (thus we avoid saying the same thing every other character page). As for the Japanese terms - we need to pick one term for everything and stick with it. I've set up List of InuYasha terms to assist anyone who would get confused with the three different terms for Goshinboku for example.--88wolfmaster 02:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Getting rid of the relationship section makes it less organized and concise. Showers 03:07, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh no, not the WP:UNENCYCLOPEDIC argument again. The relationship sections are significant to the story, and help define the characters more accurately. I swear that a group of people are trying to systematically wipe out the InuYasha articles. --Mathew Williams 08:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not trying to remove any InuYasha articles, i'm actually trying to make them FA/GA articles. I'm not saying we get rid of all the content just the actual section. Think of the section like a trivia section, i want to remove the unnecessary information and intergrate the important stuff into their respective character articles. If you take a look here you have a rehash of a character overview along with how InuYasha relates to them (how is that more concise and organized). Take Sesshomaru for instantance why can that not just be integrated with his page (if most of it isn't already on or implied their). These sections have no purpose other than to collect in-verse and/or original research tags. The information could be streamlined onto their respect character pages.--88wolfmaster 08:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

You might want to read the comments in the archives for Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics about the FA/GA process; and how attempting to meet their standards has ruined articles.

Also, since the information in the relationship sections is about relationships it seems natural that it be in such sections. Given that relationships generally involve two or three characters, some duplication is unavoidable. JRSpriggs 02:13, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Thats one of the reasons I want to get rid of them. I mean its easier to state that InuYasha is the love interest of Kagome the protagonist on his character page than have it in a couple of relationship sections.--88wolfmaster 04:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

But it is vital to understanding Kagome as well as to understanding InuYasha. So it has to be on her page also whether it is in a "Relationship" section or a "Overview" section or whatever. JRSpriggs 04:58, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd have no problem with some key facts being on both, but in my opinion most of the stuff in the relationships section is unimportant (at least for an encyclopedia).--88wolfmaster 22:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the trivia and OR should be removed from them. But that is not the same as deleting them nor the same as merging them into something else. JRSpriggs 05:32, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I Agree Showers 07:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Well how about we just clean up the sections for now. I'd really love the articles to be GA/FA (but never at the cost of quality of the article itself). Lets just see how the clean up goes before we continue.--88wolfmaster 02:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan. Showers 06:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Chips....

Just a thought, maybe someone can mention that Inuyasha likes potato chips lol... I was just watching the show and the first thing I saw was "Yay dried potatoes!" --71.79.130.34 06:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

It's only a minor detail, it probably doesn't belong in the InuYasha (character) article. There isn't even any mention for his love of ramen, which is far more notable than his taste for potato chips. Mathew Williams 06:00, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

English vs Japanese

There's one thing I'd like to point out about the InuYasha articles. When referring to attack names and such, the articles seem to constantly switch back and forth between English and Japanese, which gets confusing after a while. This is an English encyclopedia, shouldn't they be in English? There are exceptions of course, mainly characters and items that use the Japanese names even in the English version. However, I think that the attack names, and anything else that uses the English names in the manga/anime should be in English with a Japanese translation in parentheses, not the other way around. --Mathew Williams 10:10, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

The problem with that is that sometimes there are serveral english versions (Goshinboku for instance goes by Tree of Ages, Sacred God Tree or God Tree for short). I think it would be safe enogh to switch all the attacks though.--88wolfmaster 05:06, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The only sections that I know for sure can be in English are the attack names, like you said, but in the case of objects with several English names, I guess the only option would be to list the most commonly used one first or the official English name, if there is one. By the way, the English manga has a ways to go before it catches up to the Japanese version, but what does the Meidou Zangetsuha attack translate as? The literial translation probably won't end up being the "official" name, but it would be a good starting point for the articles on Tessaiga and Tenseiga. --Mathew Williams 00:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Something needs to be changed for sure, get on it. I think Wiki has some sort of rule for using the official English names in articles anyway. - The Norse 02:04, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

-- quick note, although this series may have its followers i doubt that it is regarded (as it states in the first sentence) as "the best manga and anime series in the world" it would appear that wiki-vandals have now crossed genders too :P

I don't vandalise pages, so it wasn't me, if that's what you're getting at. Why did you post that in this topic instead of making your own anyway? --Mathew Williams 00:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia does have a policy: use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things. The problem is that their is no definite common name for a lot of items in InuYasha (the names and attacks perhaps). What needs to be done is we need to sit down and agree on what to use and then go through ALL articles and conform to that agreement. but reaching said agreement could be difficult, so for now I suggest we slowly and carefully transfer the names of attacks b/c i am sure we could come to an agreement on those rather swiftly.--88wolfmaster 03:17, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh please, why do we need to dub stuff online too? This is English encyclopedia, not a dubbed one. The attack should be called as it is, and not as it's dubbed. The Kaze no Kizu is what it is, Wound of the Wind, but the name is still Kaze no Kizu. It's like calling someone Moon instead of Luna. XD Just because it means it in English, it doesn't mean the name is that. Kaze no Kizu means Wind Wound or Wind Scar, but it is still named Kaze no Kizu, just because it's an attack doesn't mean its name should be changed. Would you do that to a person called Luna? Seriously, and don't say, it's a person, it's somthing else. Please remember, we say what the attack it called and we can give a translation to it (there should be a page for each attack too), but we can't dub it. The Medidou example is great. The translation will be different in the dubbed anime or manga, so it should just be Meidou even after there's a dub version to it. Why the hell do names need version? A translation to them is enough, not a version... ---Inuyasha Bandicoot, November 6th, 2007. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.81.120.135 (talk • contribs)

Voice Actors

it seems the voice actors page was redirect, and a section created on this page. I think that instead we should just integrate the data into the character pages (whatever isn't already on them) because the section is too trival for the main article.--88wolfmaster 05:34, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that as well. It makes alot more sense to move the voice actors section to the character articles. The voice actors are revelant to the characters, but not the anime series in general. --Mathew Williams 18:50, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I wish i had the time to do this, but another article is keeping me pretty tied up at the moment. Does anyone have the time to move the voice actors to the character pages?--88wolfmaster 04:10, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I believe that most of the voice acting information is already on the characters respective pages. However, I will make sure the voice acting info is all there and transfer it over if it isn't. Showers 16:25, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I finished moving the info and deleted the Voice Actors section. Showers 17:09, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

To Showers: Thank you for your prompt and efficient action. JRSpriggs 20:34, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks as well Showers.--88wolfmaster 04:06, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Eyes of characters

I have noticed that there is a strong correlation between the complexity of the drawing of a character's eyes and his/her importance to the story. Where would be a good place to have a discussion of character's eyes and their significance? Should it be a separate article? Or is this too OR-ish to mention at all? JRSpriggs 21:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Eh, the main/important characters in pretty much every cartoon ever have been drawn with more detail than the ones in the background. Since almost every character in Inuyasha look incredibly similar, you probably noticed the eyes because that's one of the only things that sets them apart from one-another. - The Norse 21:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia have an article on this subject covering cartoons generally? That is, is there a general article on drawing complexity in cartoons as a function of the importance of characters? JRSpriggs 00:45, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

There is some talk about it in the Anime article, talks about how the eyes are used to show emotion etc. In the visual characteristics section. Showers 02:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. JRSpriggs 00:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Season 4 DVD release in US

Isn't Season four upto episode 110? Not 99?Tourskin 03:48, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

The box set only goes up to 99, this may have a way to extend the series in order to have more seasons to sell but i can confirm that yet. I anyone knows why it would be good info to add the article. WhiteStrike 19:04, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I think the reason they did that was because seasons 5 and 6 have over 30 episodes each, so they'll probably slit everything up so that they can still have only 4-5 disks in each box set. Sango4ever 4:15 pm, 9 October 2007 —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 20:18, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

But even still, if they give seasons 5 & 6 a total of 5 disks each, that's still only around 25-27 episodes per box set, just the box sets of seasons 1-3. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.97.162 (talk • contribs)

Why does Wikipedia rely on unofficial websites?

In the Inuyasha section, it said:

' According to InuyashaWorld.com there are 167 episodes and 4 DVD movies '

Why would Wikipedia rely on fansites instead of the official ones? Sango4ever 9 October 2007

It shouldn't and that doesn't belong in the article. Inuyashaworld is not a valid source for use in a Wikipedia article at all. The sentence has been removed. AnmaFinotera 22:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

No, Wikipedia needs to rely on Wikipedia:Reliable sources WhisperToMe 22:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, if info on it was on official sites, they would I guess. InuyashaWorld gives good info, so unless you got something that is still not approved it's ok. And it's ok to say according to, so you can't really say they're relying on the site. 82.81.120.135 22:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC) Inuyasha Bandicoot November 6th 2007

Color of Kirara's Fur

The color of Kirara's fur in the characters section keeps getting changed to yellow. I believe it to be cream-colored and I want to avoid an edit war. Anyone have an official source on this? Most references I find online refer to her fur color as cream as well, but they are hardly reputable sources being fansites. Showers 20:42, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

It might be a good idea to note that as the style changed from the first few seasons to the last few, the colors changed slightly. For example, in earlier seasons, the large pink stripes on the shoulders and sleeves of Sango's kimono go from a purple-burgundy to a fuschia, (or vice-versa, I may be incorrect) just as Kirara's fur starts out more creamish, and later appears almost sunlight yellow. Look at the screenshots here, for example. [2]Mizu onna sango15 06:35, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Stuff added inappropriately to the archived talk and moved here

I, too, have noticed this, and tend to agree here. If you look at the bottom-left corner of the television screen at the aforementioned point in episode 16, you can see his genitals and therefore assume he is male. I think issues regarding gender implications due to conflicts in translation are simply mistakes made by translators, as is the Tessaiga versus Tetsusaiga issue. Mizu onna sango15 07:15, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, it really all depends on whether or not Wikipedia guidelines specify whether or not we base spelling accuracy upon actual, verifiably correct translation, or whatever mistakes Viz made. Yes, we are talking about the English Wikipedia, but if it really is to be pronounced "Tessaiga," than that's how it should be, regardless of whether or not it shows up like that on the English subtitles. If we're going for accuracy, "Tessaiga" should be used instead of "Tetsusaiga." That's just my opinion. Mizu onna sango15 18:49, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Expected Manga Volumes?

It is my understanding that the newest volume of InuYasha is coming out January 8th, 2008, according to Wikipedia. Precisely what anime episodes does this new volume cover, and what are Takahashi Rumiko's plans for the manga in the future? Does she plan on continuing InuYasha, or ending the series where the anime stopped? Mizu onna sango15 19:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

No, the english manga will continue then. The Japanese one is really advanced, having passed the anime's end a long time ago. 82.81.120.135 (talk) 21:54, 18 November 2007 (UTC) Inuyasha Bandicoot November 18th

End (for now) of anime broadcast in USA

I just checked the scheduling information on Adult Swim's website (see [3]) and it says that this Friday night (really Saturday morning) is the last time that episodes of InuYasha will be shown for the foreseeable future. I suggest that all of us who are fans of the show urge them to bring it back. JRSpriggs 01:43, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm...so it looks like they are replacing InuYasha with Voltron (if I'm reading it right?). It's been rerun 4 times, though, so I can kinda understand it if they decide to replace it with something else. Still, will also kinda suck because the show's ridiculous length and its lack of an ending keeps me from buying the DVDs, so I just sometimes catch the good episodes on TV. AnmaFinotera 02:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Voltron is a really dumb show and it has also been shown repeatedly on Cartoon Network. Maybe they are just trying to save money by buying a cheaper show??? JRSpriggs 04:24, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Could be. BTW, most people kinda consider it rude to edit other people's comments on a talk page, even with my horrible spelling errors (WP:TALK) :P (I didn't mind it myself, but just wanted to note that because others can get right crazy about that stuff). Long as they keep Blood+ on for awhile...I just stumbled on the show last week and since it is not on DVD, I'd like to see more of it :) AnmaFinotera 04:59, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Voltron was alright when I was 6 but now... It just makes me want to laugh and cry at the same time. Not in a good way either. I have to agree with AnmaFinotera. It has been rerun numerous times in a row. They are probably using Voltron as cheap filler till they can get something (new perhaps?) to replace it. Showers 21:23, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Wait a minute. How could InuYasha be cancelled... It says under Monday-Friday InuYasha is scheduled to air, so where on the page does it say it will no longer show? Or am I just not reading it right? Mizu onna sango15 06:48, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

The above info is incorect(see Link) http://www.adultswim.com/shows/inuyasha/.Amreatsf4620 06:17, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

To AnmaFinotera: Sorry, sometimes I cannot resist the urge to correct an incorrect spelling or grammar. But I am always careful not to change the meaning of the text.

To Amreatsf4620: If you look at the page to which you linked, you will see that it does not give any indication that InuYasha will be shown after the 5:30 a.m. showing on November 10, 2007, i.e. this Saturday morning. JRSpriggs 01:31, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm...It looks like Inu Yasha is gone from the schedule. During tonight's Adult Swim block, Family Guy was shown in its place. However, Yahoo TV, Dish Network, and the Adult Swim channel show it will continue airing at 5 am EST (and restarting from episode one starting tonight). I've updated the article to reflect this. AnmaFinotera 07:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

It looks like they have gone back from having seven half-hour shows and then repeating them to having six shows, repeating them, and then having two other shows. But it is not clear yet whether the show at 5:00 a.m. will be InuYasha or Voltron or something else. Got to stay up a few hours to see. JRSpriggs 07:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

To AnmaFinotera: You are right. InuYasha is now being shown once only at 5:00 a.m.. They jumped back to episode 3 Down the Rabbit Hole and Back Again. So Adult Swim has six shows which are repeated, followed by InuYasha and Astroboy. (Fortunately, no Voltron.) Bleach, Blood, and Trinity Blood are still in the 4th, 5th, and 6th positions among the six. JRSpriggs 10:51, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the Adult Swim website again and considering that they would almost certainly jump back to episode 1 rather than episode 3 to start over, I now think that InuYasha has replaced Voltron in the schedule on the week-ends as well as during the week. In other words, InuYasha is now on seven days per week at 5:00 a.m.. JRSpriggs 07:00, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm starting to wonder if CN is just looking to see if we can keep up with them or something, because in tonight's Adult Swim, InuYasha is back in its regular slot (showing episode 10) . Should we wait a week to see if its temporary before updating the article again? *scratching head* AnmaFinotera (talk) 07:03, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

For now, I think I will reprogram my VCR to record it at 5:30 a.m. every day which should work for both Saturday and week-days. JRSpriggs (talk) 00:16, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Adult Swim

Shouldn't we link to Adult Swim's site for Inu Yasha instead? --BlooWilt on the wikiprowl, later! 00:32, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Adult Swim is just the channel that the anime is shown on. Viz is the company that holds the licensing rights in North America for the anime and manga. Plus, I don't think they have enough information on Inuyasha to warrent a link. Showers 01:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Adult swim should be listed here. Every other anime on adult swim has it listed on its page and it is really the only channel that shows Inuyasha in America.--72.88.108.41 (talk) 00:13, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

my comment

i suggest we get people from inuyasha world to vote on this cause half the stuff up her isn't even real. trust me i would know Signeddarkness 21:06, 10 November 2007 (UTC)signeddarkness

is it still on?xx_i_feel_no_pain_xx —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xx i feel no pain xx (talk • contribs) 00:33, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello there. At Wikipedia, we use reliable references and present information from a neutral point of view. Please see WP:GUIDE for more information before making serious edits. Edits are not brought about by simple popular votes but by consensus reached amongst editors on referenced information. Tourskin (talk) 03:12, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Article List of minor InuYasha characters may be deleted

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of minor InuYasha characters and consider expressing your opinion, if you have one. JRSpriggs 01:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Similarly, AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) also nominated InuYasha yōkai list for deletion. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/InuYasha yōkai list. JRSpriggs 02:10, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Update: So far the number of users voting delete is much greater than the number voting keep in both cases. JRSpriggs 04:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Update: Unfortunately, as you can see from the red-links above, both of these articles were deleted as a result of the Afds. Please remove any references to them which you see. If you feel that any character which was covered by them must be covered by Wikipedia, then add him/her to the surviving article — List of InuYasha characters. JRSpriggs (talk) 07:36, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Inuyasha Images

I have done some extensive work on images related to Inuyasha articles. Creating fair-use rationales, putting them into the Inuyasha images category, and resizing pics that don't have a small enough resolution. However, I need help in either

1. identifying the source for the following images or
2. having a new one uploaded.

1. Ah-Un.jpg this one is actually pretty small. it might be better to get a new pic. (suggested resolution is at 0.1 megapixels or a pic at about 300x300 pixels. Its about 1/3 of that.)
2. IY grandpa.jpg I'm pretty sure these two are from one of the movies, but I'm not sure about that.
3. IY myoga.jpg

Any help with this would be great. Showers (talk) 07:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Archive Schedule

As a compromise, I've set it to 60 days. Though that still seems excessive, to me. 14 days is the default, so 30 is already twice as long as that. 60 is longer than what is found on most articles. Most contributions will happen in the first 30 days on a decently active article like this one is. Don't forget, the archiver will only archive something if it has no comment for those days, so now threads will sit here for 60 days without comment before commenting rather than 30 days. AnmaFinotera (talk) 18:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Deletion

I have eliminated this 10000% useless information:

InuYasha has also been dubbed in Mandarin Chinese and aired on Xing Kong, a Taiwanese TV Channel. It was also been dubbed in Bahasa Melayu on NTV7 and currently on TV9.

Because only English and Japanese dubs are welcome. Don't dare to revert this or you'll pay it with your life, and I'm not joking. --Twicemost (talk) 20:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I have reverted your removal. It goes to show the notability of the series, so if you feel only English language releases should be included, make your case here. Do not, however, threaten other editors if they revert your edits. Your comment and threat is beyond inappropriate. I strongly suggest you strike it or remove it all together. AnmaFinotera (talk) 21:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

To Twicemost: Your threat to AnmaFinotera is a crime. Pray that the police do not take it seriously. JRSpriggs (talk) 01:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Meanwhile, the administrators did and he currently is on an indef block as he has done the same on other articles to make some kind of WP:POINT. AnmaFinotera (talk) 01:57, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

"This article has multiple issues"?

Anyone know where the supposed discussion of what the issues are? Kinda hard to help out if you don't have an idea of what someone sees as a problem. Or if they've already been taken care of, maybe remove the banner. —Quasirandom (talk) 01:22, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Ugh, someone went through and changed the casing on the tag, hiding the issues. Grrr....I've replaced it with the original article issues tag. Two big issues are a need for a general clean up and neutrality check, and for more references. It also needs a going over to make sure its focus is on the manga, not just the anime. AnmaFinotera (talk) 02:14, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah -- thanks. To be honest, I don't see it needing cleanup so much as work -- that is, it needs hella referencing and to have the Reception and background influences on sections beefed up. A series this popular and this rooted in Japanese both history and folklore, it's kinda embarrassing how little information about that is here. Not to mention, how little info on the manga. But structurally and mechanically, it ain't bad. Or at least, for a B-class article. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Yep...the clean up I noticed is kinda subtle, I guess. For example, there is no consistency in dates. Some are done dd month yyyy while others are month dd yyyy. Per the overall MOS, one needs to be picked and stuck with. The intro is kinda pitiful for a series like this, which has a wealth of resources. It doesn't meet WP:LEAD at all, though it isn't tagged for an intro rewrite right now. The movie section needs formatting. The table for four movies doesn't seem useful and just clutters things (added a tag there). The music section doesn't discuss the music at all, it just shoves in a list of themes, which doesn't really add much to me. And, of course, no production section at all, even though tons of info should be available. :( I do agree, it is kinda embarrassing. There is no reason this article shouldn't be one of our FA pieces. Maybe its time for the project to do a collaboration type thing to really go get it going? AnmaFinotera (talk) 21:22, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

It does sound like a collaboration candidate, yeah. (If you wikify those dates, though, they should display in the user's perferred format.) —Quasirandom (talk) 03:59, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

The article appears to require at least some copyediting. I can't say that I know much about InuYasha, but this article is tagged for copyediting in the WikiProject, so I'd like to try to help. There are some various surface-level fixes that can be made, but overall, a few major issues are coming up. The first is an overuse of parenthetical clauses. To make the content more encyclopedic, a variety of sentence structures should be used. Especially in the synopsis, there are far too many sentences broken up by excessive parenthetical clauses. Most of these clauses are used in elaboration, for instance: "InuYasha does not get far before Kikyo, the young miko of the village, shoots him with a sacred arrow that indefinitely seals him into Goshinboku, a sacred tree in the nearby forest."

The prose could be improved by removing the parentheses to smooth out the flow of the sentence. This is especially true when there are internal links or piping present, because a user can click on the links to get more information. Here's an example of a smoother sentence with fewer parentheses: "InuYasha does not get far before Kikyo shoots him with a sacred arrow, sealing him indefinitely into a sacred tree."

This is not to say that parenthetical clauses are always detrimental. They are perfectly fine if they are not overused. Even in the case I listed above, perhaps those parentheses were essential to the story, such that they should be included immediately. I don't know enough about the show to say for sure, so I'll leave them for a future editor to work on. Apart from this, there are some other issues--fragmentation of information, deviations from the MoS, etc. I apologize if I've been too verbose, but I feel these are issues that are important to the quality of the article, especially if it is to be rewritten collaboratively. ~~ Elunah であります (Chat) 05:50, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

English Versus Japanese Spellings

Most of the things in this article, specifically names, are written in the style of the English translation (Kikyou becomes Kikyo, Inuyasha becomes InuYasha, etc.) however, it refers to Inuyasha's sword as 'Tessaiga', the Japanese spelling. I think that we should change all mentions of 'Tessaiga' to 'Tetsuaiga', for consistency. 71.115.194.226 (talk) 20:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I've made my opinion clear in the previous discussion about it. Check out the Tessaiga talk page for other discussion on the subject. Showers (talk) 05:27, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree there needs to be some consistency. Either we should use all Japanese spellings or all official English ones. I have no major view one way or the other, though I believe the official English ones are the ones preferred by the MOS, with notes as appropriate if the English version makes major changes to name spellings, pronunciations, or overall. AnmaFinotera (talk) 05:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Seconded. How do we know if this is even correct? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:53, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Look up sokuon (small tsu) and its accompanying grammatical rules. It is almost always used to indicate a doubling of the consonant that follows in romaji. Showers (talk) 22:30, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

The Viz site spells it "Tetsusaiga". --Eruhildo (talk) 20:49, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I thought we settled this. The Viz website uses the mis translation. The small tsu also has its own name which is sokuon and it occurs before kana beginning with k, s, t or p, and acts to double or emphasize the consonant. For example, the name Duke is written as dukku in romaji. --88wolfmaster (talk) 02:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it was a mistranslation or rather a misromanization. But we're saying we should be consistent in using the English names of things here on the English Wikipedia. It's not like we won't have an explanation of the the difference. --Eruhildo (talk) 16:56, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

You guys talk about consistency and say that we consistently use dubbed versions but you are wrong. As i look at the main page at what is used first: Goshinboku, miko, taijiya, hanyō, yōkai, kazaana, etc. At times the dubbed uses more than one term to refer to something: Shikon No Tama and Sacred Jewel used in first episode alone. We consistently try to use the same term for something (which is fine by me). I am against going through ALL the articles to change already established consistent terms.

Time travel

Recently, I thought about putting Category:Time travel in fiction or similar here but was hoping someone could share their views beforehand. Does a magical well count as a form of time traveling (eg, from present-day Japan to Sengoku era)? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that the method of time travel matters. Whether it be magical well, lightning storm (Connecticut Yankee), or machine as long as there is time travel. I think that the the time travel aspect is big enough to warrant the inclusion of the category. Showers (talk) 01:27, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry to disagree with you two. The time travel has a minor role. There are only two time periods, and travel rarely occurs while other action is unresolved. Little attention is paid to the mechanism of travel. Travel is limited to two characters: Kagome, and InuYasha. JRSpriggs (talk) 08:11, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I think I agree with JRSpringgs. At least for now. Time travel does occur, but it's almost like being transported between two worlds you know.... If something (big enough) happens in Kagome's time because of the time travel, then I'd be happy to put "InuYasha" in that Category. BrianGo28 (talk) 11:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure. No time travel then. Didn't think it was really essential in the first place. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

The main categories

I had a talk here with JRSpriggs concerning genres and would like to hear ideas from other "InuYasha experts". WP:MOS-AM#Content gives us the opportunity of 2 or 3 genres per article, no more than that. JRSpriggs, in the discussion, claimed that horror fiction could be one of them. I on the other hand, am more unsure now than I was before arranging the ones we currently have. After doing considerable literature research, I've come up with three possible solutions:

Option #1

Adventure; Sengoku era sword and sorcery

Option #2

Adventure; Sengoku era horror fiction

Option #3

Adventure; Sengoku era historical fantasy

This may be very tough to decide since it comes down to picking the best one for the article while thinking they all make sense. Unfortunately, the guideline doesn't work like that. If you ask me, options #1 and #3 make the most sense, though I still can't decide on one of them. Thoughts anyone? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I would go for Option 1. Option 2 doesn't make much sense. Horror doesn't really paint a particularly accurate image of InuYasha. 1 and 3 are both closer, but 1 makes a lot more sense. I don't see a lot in InuYasha that I would really describe as particularly historical. 'Historical fantasy' implies to me that it deals with history in a more fantastical way. InuYasha just takes a historical period as its setting and pretty much ignores everything else. So I think 1 is best.Kuwabaratheman (talk) 20:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Kuwabaratheman. --Eruhildo (talk) 20:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks guys. I too am thinking the first option has better relevancy with this particular series. Think Kuwabara hit the nail on the head with his reasons and pretty much got me convinced. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:56, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I've seen horror all too often misapply to works simply because they contain elements such as ghosts, ghouls, demons, vampires, and such and uses suspense. However horror fiction intends to scare, unsettle, or horrify the audience. Inu-Yasha, however, does not do that. --Farix (Talk) 00:33, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Right on. Would you pick Option #1 or #3? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure one of these options fit either. Simply list it as "Adventure, Fantasy" would be good enough. --Farix (Talk) 00:41, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Did you read into the links I've demonstrated? You may come to find that the first option is more pertinent than the other two. If one really had to be picked, which, in your honest opinion, would it be? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

But those three aren't very good options. I much prefer wolfmaster's suggestion below. So why limit our choices to only these three? --Farix (Talk) 02:09, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I vote for option #4: Adventure; Sengoku era fantasy Why do we have to use sub-genres that do not quite fit? --88wolfmaster (talk) 01:13, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Fantasy includes magic and the supernatural, however, sword and sorcery also has that plus swashbuckling events, conflicts, and often romance, three elements which are as well frequent in InuYasha. I fail to see why we should use an incomplete genre and not the full one. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:26, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Normally I would go with fantasy, but I'm going to have to agree with Sesshomaru this time - sword and sorcery really does seem to apply better. --Eruhildo (talk) 09:58, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Sasshomaru? Not offended or anything, just gotta admit, his made me laugh a bit. Anyway, Farix, wolfmaster, can we concur now? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:46, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Lol, I can't believe I did that. ^_^; --Eruhildo (talk) 06:42, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Believe it or not, people often misspell the name, so it's not unheard of. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 07:19, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Out of the three, option 1 fits the best. --88wolfmaster (talk) 19:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Horror? Inuyasha? Umm...Princess Tutu has more horror than InuYasha, so I'd go with a no on #2. Out of curiousity, what makes InuYasha fit into the Sengoku era (and why doesn't it just link straight to Sengoku period)? I seem to vaguely remember that Kagome went back 500 years, but anything to show for sure that it falls in with that time period? And as the series doesn't really focus a whole lot on the time period, is that really a good fit? Does being set in that alone make it part of the genre? Fantasy and adventure I'd be inclined to agree on. Sword and sorcery might be a good subgenre, though if they eventually lose, the world would probably be destroyed or something by Naraku, so it does have an epic quality. AnmaFinotera (talk) 17:16, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Reason why it is [[Jidaigeki#Sengoku-jidai|Sengoku era]] and not [[Sengoku period|Sengoku era]] is because the first is a genre, whilst the other isn't (see the genre box on Rurouni Kenshin for starters). So then, AnmaFinotera, which option are you inclined to select? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:34, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Ahhh. :) I could see why RK is in that genre, but I still wonder if IY fits, when there isn't much history discussed and no issues of time line manipulation and all that. I'd lean most towards option 1. It doesn't really focus a bunch on the historical aspects to be a historical fantasy, and definitely not a horror series. :) AnmaFinotera (talk) 19:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I think it loosely fits into Sengoku-jidaigeki - it's set in the Sengoku-jidai and there are samurai (I'm counting Inu as one here), farmers, and craftsmen. Yeah, maybe a bit of a stretch, but I think it fits well enough to count. --Eruhildo (talk) 22:24, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay. Seems the majority go for the first option. Any comments before I update the genres on the article? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't think "Adventure" is necessary because "Sengoku-jidai" already implies adventure: traveling, sword-fighting and all that. I don't like "Sword and sorcery" because InuYasha doesn't evoke the imagery most people associate with the genre. If the purpose of "Historical fantasy" is to note that InuYasha takes place in another time period, then it isn't necessary either because "Sengoku-jidai" already accomplishes that.

For now, I'd leave as "Sengoku-jidai" and "Fantasy" (no sub-genres).--Nohansen (talk) 05:07, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Kuwabaratheman, and others, option #2 just seem like a very poor description of Inu-yasha. And while #3 is better, as also has been noted, Inu-yasha isn't exactly big on history, so #1 would seem the best fit to me. Derekloffin (talk) 05:31, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

It's really that sentence in adventure, "... the protagonist or other major characters are consistently placed in dangerous situations ...", which serves as a purpose of including this genre. "Sengoku-jidai" is but a main setting. I fail to see any implication of adventure there, especially because the entry doesn't give much. What is it about sword and sorcery that doesn't stand out for this series? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 06:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure you read me right there Sess, but to be extra clear I think sword and sorcery is the best match, #3 (history) while better than #2, still doesn't cut it as I said isn't exactly a big premise in Inu-yasha, despite the setting, and #2 (horror) I don't think even comes close. Derekloffin (talk) 07:06, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I apologize. That message was directed at the two users (ie, Farix and Nohansen) who do not think the options I presented were acceptable. Hopefully, they'll come around. I'll notify them that I will do the change tomorrow. My only wish is that everyone agrees in the end. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 07:48, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Let me further explain my position. If "Sengoku-jidai" is a type of jidaigeki that just happens to take place in the Warring States period, then it features all the trappings of the jigaigeki genre (and that includes sword-fighting, traveling and all that we associate with Samurai movies). If that's so, then "Adventure" would be redundant because "Sengoku-jidai" already covers that in a more specific manner.

When people think "Sword and sorcery", they think Conan the Barbarian and Dungeons and Dragons. InuYasha doesn't feel (to me) like Conan or D&D. Also, "Sengoku-jidai" already covers the "sword" half of the genre. The "sorcery" half is covered by the generic "Fantasy" genre. Same with "historical fantasy"; if it's purpose was to note the series takes place in another time period, then it isn't necessary either because "Sengoku-jidai" already accomplishes that.

That's what I think.--Nohansen (talk) 17:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you are taking the context too literal? If Sengoku-jidai-geki hints that adventure is present and if fantasy covers the magic elements then, yes, we would have our main, main genres. I can see how you came to this conclusion but you have to keep in mind that Sengoku-jidai-geki alone does not establish that, as adventure nicely puts it, "... the protagonist or other major characters are consistently placed in dangerous situations ...". Same goes for fantasy, which, as I explained way above, has sorcery and the like yet lacks the attributes from sword and sorcery. Do you know what those are? They are, and I quote, the "focus mainly on personal battles rather than world-endangering matters" and "romance". Now that I think about it, high fantasy should be preferred over sword and sorcery albeit that too misses some detail, like romance. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm still awaiting responses from Nohansen and Farix, but I can't wait long. Half a day; if no new ideas are given within that time, then it'll be Option #1. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:45, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I've already spoken my piece, Adventure, Fantasy is my choice. I do not think the three choices you presented are appropriate or give the wrong impression. --Farix (Talk) 13:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

This is a manga, what's it doing in a film category (i.e. Category:Sword-and-Sorcery films)?--Nohansen (talk) 03:31, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd support for the cat to be speedily moved to Category:Sword and sorcery. It matches the article's name. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:55, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

To Nohansen: There are four motion pictures (films) based on the manga and the derivative series of television programs. So putting it into the film category is not unreasonable. JRSpriggs (talk) 06:19, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Was this edit incorrect then? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 08:02, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

To Sesshomaru: I could accept either way. The films exist, but they are not the most important part of the franchise. JRSpriggs (talk) 12:22, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Anything different you want to say about genre selection? Now that you're here, that is. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Take Category:Sword-and-Sorcery films to WP:CFR, or create Category:Sword and sorcery; it's up to you.--Nohansen (talk) 06:32, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll ask for a speedy rename. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:39, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Naming Conventions

The subject was never fully settled, I think, on dealing with some names. WhisperToMe brought up the issue of Tessaiga versus Tetsusaiga over on at the project, but I'm going to move the discussion here to ensure its available to all editors and in the article's talk archive for future referencing. First, here is WhisperToMe's original message and reasoning from the Tessaiga page (also posted to the project talk):

I propose that this is moved from Tessaiga to Tetsusaiga because:

• All known versions of InuYasha published in the English language by VIZ Media in the U.S., Canada, and the UK use "Tetsusaiga" - therefore the name is best known in the English-speaking world.
• There is known no reliable source that states that the change from Tessaiga to Tetsusaiga was an error on VIZ's part. See Wikipedia:RS - In order to make that assertion one must have a reliable source that explicitly states this. If we do not have a reliable source that states this, we cannot make that statement.

WhisperToMe (talk) 05:58, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Now, for my view, I agree with WhisperToMe's arguements. Tetsusaiga is the official English spelling and no one has yet to provide an actual reliable source stating the Viz spelling is a mistake in the almost FOUR years this has been an issue. Even if it were, it would not matter. Per the MOS, we should be using the official English spelling for the article name and throughout the InuYasha articles. At best, there should just be the appropriate romanization in the nihongo template on Tetsusaiga's page. I believe there are some other InuYasha related articles/topics that may also have this same issue. I think its time to get them all out, and hashed out, so please point out any others in subsections of this topic for discussion. AnmaFinotera (talk) 06:21, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect romanization should be fairly easy to prove (I'm not aware of any valid scheme that renders a sokuon as "tsu"), and there are already a couple of footnotes on the Tessaiga page to this effect. Shiroi Hane (talk) 16:25, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

But we have no reliable source that states that the use of "Tetsusaiga" instead of "Tessaiga" actually was a mistake by VIZ. In order to make the statement one must have a source that unambiguously says that the use of "Tetsusaiga" was a mistake. The using the footnotes to make that argument would be Wikipedia:Original research - Besides, even if use of Tetsusaiga was an error, VIZ decided to continue using "Tetsusaiga." WhisperToMe (talk) 17:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

(Reply to Shiroi Hane) That is true, however, this is the English Wikipedia, so we use the official trade name per WP:MOS-AM#Article names and disambiguation. Viz chose to call it "Tetsusaiga". Whether that was a mistake or not, I don't know - we have no sources to say one way or the other. "Tessaiga" is the correct romanization of the kana, but should not be used throughout the article as it is not the official English name. I'm not saying we can't mention "Tessaiga" like the opening of the article does now, just that other than the explanation it should be "Tetsusaiga". --Eruhildo (talk) 17:12, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I was merely address the "no reliable source" comments. Shiroi Hane (talk) 18:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I understand the intention, but that does not satisfy the requirement. A source that explicitly states that VIZ made a goof is required. If there is none, then saying VIZ made a goof is original research. Also I second Eruhildo. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:51, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm confused; you didn't provide any sources for the English spelling at all. My whole point was that, regardless of the proper romanization, we should still use the official spelling per Wikipedia guidelines. --Eruhildo (talk) 19:59, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment The argument here appears to be not over using a Japanese term vs. its English translation, but rather how to spell a Japanese word. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles)#Romanization is the style guideline to look at here. --erachima talk 09:00, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

If it were merely a matter of translation, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The problem is Viz called the sword "Tetsusaiga" while the original Japanese series called it "Tessaiga". --Eruhildo (talk) 01:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

You missed my point: Viz didn't call the thing "iron render", they called it "tetsusaiga". So use English doesn't factor into the equation, WP:MOS-JA#Romanization does. (Incidentally, see wikt:鉄) --erachima talk 05:05, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

We do not know whether VIZ goofed or whether the change to Tetsusaiga is deliberate. Either way VIZ has chosen to use Tetsusaiga instead of Tessaiga in all English adaptations, and so that is what we use as per the MOS and Use English. WhisperToMe (talk) 08:12, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you erachima. Tessaiga is consistently used. I for one do not believe it should be referred to as Tetsusaiga nor do I want to do the work required of a switch to ensure consistency. As for the OR claims, a rewording of the notes on the subject should be sufficient to correct this.--88wolfmaster (talk) 23:20, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Consistently used by whom? 1. We have guidelines that say use the name in English dubs and translated manga. Unless there is a compelling reason, we go by the guideline. As for this "As for the OR claims, a rewording of the notes on the subject should be sufficient to correct this." - A reliable source is needed to dispel the OR claims. Without a source nothing about this can be said; not even the "Tetsusaiga is an incorrect reading" can be concluded as that is likely irrelevant to the name itself. With no alternative published, official English-language versions that do otherwise, as per the guidelines we use Tetsusaiga. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:49, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

To clarify the OR - If only the ramanization is left it can not be OR. Since we do not have a reliable resource saying that VIZ did or did not intentional use Tetsusaiga then you are right its OR. As for the consistency, well i believe Tessaiga was consistently used because of the loop hole in the policies you mention - unless it is well known by another name. That is the main reason we use Goshinboku over the various english versions (its keeps consistency). --88wolfmaster (talk) 05:05, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Where is Tessaiga consistently used? WhisperToMe (talk) 21:47, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry throughout all InuYasha wiki articles. The policies have loop hole that says if the non english is more common then use it instead. It is for this reason I believe that Tessagia was originally used. It has since become the standard. I do not care if I end up on the "losing" side of this arguement as long as consistency is retained. Do you honestly reliese the amount of work it would be to switch this?--88wolfmaster (talk) 22:31, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

It won't really take all that long, depending on who does it. Just find the usages, edit, search/replace, save, next. Consistency is important, and we should be consistent with the English spelling which is Tetsusaiga. And, BTW, while google results are not the best measure, Tetsusaiga InuYasha returns more results than Tessaiga InuYasha. AnmaFinotera (talk) 22:35, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Support move due to the Google test evidence then, per WP:MOS-JA's Romanization guideline, which states that untraditional Romanizations by licensors are acceptable in place of Hepburn if they are more common than the normal Romanization is. --erachima talk 14:10, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I never saw it spelled "Tessaiga" until I looked it up on Wikipedia - and I've seen the anime in both English and Japanese (I couldn't read Japanese back then so I didn't know any better; I apparently couldn't hear Japanese either. -_-;). --Eruhildo (talk) 22:12, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

So, may I start the move now? WhisperToMe (talk) 22:00, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

 Done - JPG-GR (talk) 01:29, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

So are you guys going to finishing the move anytime soon? Because, its not complete.--88wolfmaster (talk) 17:42, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm guessing not. Sloppy restructuring is one reason why I don't bother much with manga/anime articles anymore.--Boffob (talk) 19:40, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

The page was moved and instances fixed in dozens of articles. If some were missed, why not point them out or fix them? AnmaFinotera (talk) 19:46, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_for_Japan-related_articles/tessaiga, where "Tessaiga" was the clear result.

(then) Despite the fact it was a translation error, Viz kept on using it. (WhisperToMe)

(now) We do not know whether VIZ goofed (WhisperToMe)

Ken Arromdee (talk) 07:55, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Clean Up Merging

I've tagged Tetsusaiga for merging to InuYasha (character), and Tenseiga and Tōkijin for merging to Sesshomaru. None of the swords meet the qualifications of WP:FICT having no significant coverage in multiple third-party sources that would allow for the articles to be rewritten from a primarily out-of-universe perspective. Both primarily just repeat the same plot points and abilities already listed in their wielders articles. Thoughts? AnmaFinotera (talk) 19:44, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

• I wouldn't mind a merge, especially since there is repeated information. :) WhisperToMe (talk) 20:41, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Merge away, but please be thorough. This kind of thing can result in dead links and double redirects nightmare, e.g. there are still many instances and links to Tessaiga.--Boffob (talk) 18:43, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I just went through and fixed all the articles that link to Tessaiga. No opinion on the merge (haven't looked into the articles much), but it's probably a good idea. --Eruhildo (talk) 00:20, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Agreed with the merge (not many new things to comment^_^).--Tintor2 (talk) 00:02, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Slightly out of date

I'm certain that the latest manga chapter to be released is 556, not 555. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.36.116.152 (talk) 23:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I think this post isn't relevant anymore because the manga is now finished as of chapter 558. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xosofine02 (talk • contribs) 00:26, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Kilala

Per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English), should we not move the Kirara article to Kilala and change her name throughout the articles? Romanization to either R or L is equally accurate, and the name is pronounced Kilala in English, and should be written so here in the English Wikipedia. After all, we use Krillin and not Kuririn. -- AvatarMN (talk) 10:00, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

The pronunciation isn't the deciding factor, its how it is spelling in the manga (primary work). How does Viz spell it in the manga volumes? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 10:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, you probably have a point there. But I don't know, I've only watched the anime. Anyone? -- AvatarMN (talk) 10:12, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

It's Kirara, without a doubt. I just checked ^__^ --BaKa-NEKO (talk) 06:29, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

What!?

• Uh, since when is Kagome the main character!? It's called Inuyasha. Please fix it.

She is one of the main characters. Inuyasha is the titular character. That doesn't mean he is the only important one. It is as much Kagome's story as it is Inuyasha's. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 05:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

AnmaFinotera is right. check out Protagonist sometime.--88wolfmaster (talk) 02:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Kagome is the main character moreso than Inuyasha because of the link between Kagome and Kikyo.(Usertalk:dsutt) 23:22, 13 July 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsutt (talk • contribs)

Why the heck would Kikyo get to decide who's the main character? Besides, Inuyasha has a significant connection to Kikyo as well. -- AvatarMN (talk) 06:04, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree with AvatarMN. And anyway, about the most recent edit, why should Kagome be mentioned before InuYasha? He's the anime's namesake, and if you want to get technical, he was the first character to be introduced in both the manga and anime while attacking the village. --BaKa-NEKO (talk) 20:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Kagome is the main character and also the narrorator. The story revoles around her, InuYasha, Naraku, and Kikyo. Also AvatarMN Kikyo didn't "decide" that Kagome would be the main charactor, when the series was created it was decided that Kagome would be Kikyo's reincarnation. The Shikon no Tama was in her body, not InuYasha's. On a final note do not forget that InuYasha would still be bound to the tree if Kagome hadn't pulled out the arrow.71.126.79.98 (talk) 10:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

May be both of them is better. On my opinion, Higurashi Kagome and Inu Yasha have the nearly same "main" characteristic. Furthermore, they are a couple and they work mostly together. As Inu Yasha appear, we can nearly see Kagome and vice versa. And, please Mr/Ms 71.126.79.98, the thing that Kagome is the narrator or whether she had pulled the arrow out of Inu Yasha have no meaning in deciding who is the main character. Many narrator are not the main character. And, Mrs Takahashi Rumiko did decide that Kagome would free Inu Yasha of the Tree of Ages, thus no "if" here !!!!

BTW, why won't we ask Mrs Takahashi ? 137.132.250.12 (talk) 12:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Kagome is not always the narrator. Sometimes InuYahsa, and sometimes even Myoga narrates. I would have to agree more with 137.132.250.12. InuYasha WAS indeed the first character, and either way more than one character could be considered main. If Kagome was THE main character, why isn't the manga/anime called Kagome? And AnmaFinotera and his supporters, you said that Kagome is ONE of the main characters. I would have to say that InuYasha and Kagome are both main characters, and InuYahsa should come first on the character lists.Stevv (talk) 23:23, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

New Anime short

I've heard from Anime News Network that a new InuYasha anime short called "Black Tessaiga" is set to air at the end of July. See this link: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-07-09/new-inuyasha-short-to-debut-at-tokyo-takahashi-event. Shouldn't this be added to the anime section under Media? -- 69.244.125.218 (talk) 02:11, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

It hasn't been added yet mostly because nothing else is known about it yet. If its an anime short, a special, an OVA, length etc. Nothing but a title. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:27, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree. No actions should be taken until this "short" has officially premiered, and more information is made public to the western world. If it is true, though, (and I don't yet have reason to believe that it isn't) I eagerly await any news. --BaKa-NEKO (talk) 06:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey, check it out. It's the intro to the Rumic Theatre exhibit, featuring Lum, Ataru, Ranma, InuYasha, and Kagome: --LINK REMOVED PER WP:COPYRIGHT--

Think we should do anything with this? --BaKa-NEKO (talk) 03:48, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

No, we don't use video clips from YouTube for anything, and that clip is clearly a violation of WP:COPYRIGHT -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 04:01, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

My sincerest apologies, I didn’t quite realize that (as I’ve seen various other links to YouTube on Wikipedia ^^). I just read the “Linking to Copyrighted Works” bit, so I’ll be sure not to make the mistake again.

I don’t think that I made my initial question clear, however. I meant to ask if we should do anything with the information given, now that we know the Rumic World exhibit is, in fact, taking place, or if we should wait for more.

Again, I apologize for the inconvenience.

--BaKa-NEKO (talk) 04:16, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

YouTube can sometimes be linked to, when its a video uploaded by copyright holders. Often times, though, such links are there inappropriately and just haven't been caught yet. For the question, though, I don't think there was any question about the exhibit, but until it happens, there really isn't much we can say about it in relation to InuYasha. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 04:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Black Tetsusaiga just aired. There is a summary about it here: http://www.furinkan.com/iycompanion/anime/specials.html#1 -- 69.244.125.218 (talk) 19:47, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Protected

Arising from the WP:AN3 report I have protected this page for 4 days. However if the recent editors can confirm that they will stop edit warring I will unprotect it, or you can request it from any admin at WP:RFPU. I have no objection to any admin removing the protection. Stifle (talk) 14:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Merge Tokijin to Sesshomaru

If my memory is not bad:

• Tessaiga has been merged to Inu Yasha (character)
• Then, the information about Tessaiga in Inu Yasha (character) has been deleted.
• Now I can't find any information about Tessaiga in English Wikipedia.

Thus, I wonder if Tokijin was merged to Sesshomaru, will it be deleted as Tessaiga ?

And, I think Tokijin, Tessaiga, Tenseiga, etc are worthy enough to have their own pages.

Just my opinion and I'm very sorry if it's somewhat impolite, cause I'm not good at English.

Regards

137.132.250.10 (talk) 14:07, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

It is tagged for merging to Sesshomaru. Their having their own article has nothing to do with "worth" but real-world notability, which none of the swords have. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 14:44, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

The Tessaiga, Tenseiga and Tokijin I think they have enough real-world notability. There are a considerable number of people know it.

Furthermore, can an article about the character have enough space to carry the information of the sword ? As we can see, the information about Tokijin, Tessaiga, Tenseiga in the article of Inu Yasha, Sesshomaru are written in summarized form. I think, the summarized information in the character's article can't be enough. Thus, these swords need their own article. If the articles about the swords and weapons in Inu Yasha are needed deleting, why there name are still in the specimen ?

And I still don't understand about the Tessaiga's information as I have stated. Now I can't find anything about Tessaiga in English Wikipedia.

137.132.250.10 (talk) 17:23, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

How many people "know it" is not real world notability. Real-world notability is determined by significant coverage in reliable, third party sources, not by fan love. And no, the swords do not need their own articles. They are weapons, not people. This is not a fansite nor an in-depth fictional guide. Wikipedia provides summary information about the topics, not extensive details. Brief mentions in relation to their wielders is all the attention the swords need.-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:39, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Thus, the Lightsabers of the Jedi Knights have enough condition to have their own article ? Actually I am still confused about it. Can you explain more about this problem ? Thank you very much.

And, you haven't answer about the fate of Tessaiga's information.

P.S: may be the IP now is different but I am the same person. I'm very sorry for all the inconvenient.

137.132.3.9 (talk) 06:05, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

All relevant information about Tessaiga is in InuYasha's article. Lightsabers may have real-world notability. I don't see any signs that it has been challenged. Either way, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 07:16, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Name of Inu Yasha's character and items written in Japanese letters

Where can we find the source which have the things that I have mentioned in the title ? (I'm really sorry that I can only read English sources.) Thanks.137.132.250.12 (talk) 12:54, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

How 'bout Wikipedia? We've got everything listed I think. If you're looking for something specific that we don't have listed, try a google search - you're bound to come across some fan site that lists it. Other than that, I don't really know anything in English - I usually look up stuff like that on Japanese websites and articles. --Eruhildo (talk) 16:39, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

1. For example, wikipedia have not had Four War Gods' name writing in Japanese letters.
2. Uhm, I think I can't read Japanese. Thus I can't look up stuff like you usually do.
3. Some of the name, just as Gokuryuha (attack of the So'unga), I did try in Google and I failed.

That's my pathetic situation. Anyway, thank you very much for your helping. Regards.137.132.250.12 (talk) 20:46, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't see your post sooner. I found the Four War Gods's kanji on the Japanese Wikipedia and added them to the article. I found the kanji for So'unga (叢雲牙, Sōunga) on the NationMaster encyclopedia. I found the kanji for "Infernal Dragon Wave"/"Hell's Dragon Wave"/"Dragon Twister" (獄龍破, Gōkuryūha) on the Vietnamese Wikipedia. Are there any others you're looking for? --Eruhildo (talk) 17:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Another name is Saya, the sheath of So'unga's spirit and the kanji name of Shippo's "girlfriend". I think may be it is harder for finding the kanji name of anime/movie-only characters, is that right ? Anyway, thanks a lot for your help.

Best Regards. 137.132.3.9 (talk) 09:56, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

¿Are the movies really separated from the anime?

OK, maybe the characters are drawn in a different way, more like in the manga in most of the movies but I remember in episode 137 the guys meet Hojo's ancestor without any kind of introduction before, and since the second movie where he first appears is released between episodes 95-96 my guess is that episode happens after the second movie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.12.156.120 (talk) 01:11, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

The events in the movie do not effect the events in the anime series, hence it being considered separate. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:16, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

It's very hard to imagine the 2nd movie taking place in the Anime version. The others could, espeically the 3rd and 4th ones. But as AnmaFinotera says, there is nothing to really tie them to the Anime. Even the 3rd movie, which seems to have the strongest ties to the Anime, isn't entirely consistent with it. Argel1200 (talk) 01:34, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

"Shikon Jewel" vs. "Jewel of Four Souls"

Any consensus on which term should be preferred? Based on a quick glance through the manga resources, it's initially referred to in the first pages of the first Viz volume with the completely translated phrase "Jewel of Four Souls", but the half-translated phrase "Shikon Jewel" is introduced soon afterward, and then the terminology bounces back and forth between them; "Profiles" seems to use "Shikon Jewel" almost exclusively. --Wombat1138 (talk) 16:29, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Generally it should be whatever the official English word is. With Viz's back and forth in the manga, I'm inclined to say Shikon Jewel as it is what is also used in the anime dub, if I recall correctly. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:46, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Both are used in the Anime as well so I'm not sure what to tell you. My impression is that "Jewel of Four Souls" was used in mor srious converstation (and maybe when explaining what's goign on to the viewer) while "Shikon Jewel" was used in more casual coversation (which since it's shorter would make sense). Of course, "Sacred Jewel Shards" was used fairly often and I think sometimes just "Sacred Jewel" was used. Does the original Manga also call it by different names? Argel1200 (talk) 01:28, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

new inuyasha episodes

not a rumor or fake statement -- see for youself http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-07-16/inuyasha-final-chapter-gets-tv-anime-green-lit so please change the info about inuyasha episodes —Preceding unsigned comment added by Babygirl syniaya (talk • contribs) 16:05, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Um, article is already noting that. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:16, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Cover image

I've commented out the image cite, since the Viz 2nd-edition 1st-volume manga cover has now been overwritten by what seems to be the logo for an IY followup anime. --Wombat1138 (talk) 23:51, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Why not just fix the image as was already done. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:25, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I've reverted the logo to the manga cover. Will probably leave a word with the uploader. --Farix (Talk) 00:26, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks-- I couldn't figure out how to revert the image to the older version, as "undo" didn't seem to work for me. --Wombat1138 (talk) 00:44, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

You have to go the image bag and look near the bottom (usually) for the history...there is a revert option there. :) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:55, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Sota Higurashi

There is a conversation about deleting a redirect for Sota Higurashi to List of InuYasha characters. The conversation seems to be going toward delete based on past consensus, but this consensus appears to be based largely on the opinion of one user. Can someone who is knowledgeable about these topics contribute to the discussion at the RfD? Thanks. —Zach425 ^talk/contribs 08:16, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

The new series inuyasha the final act should be seperated from this article

The new series inuyasha the final act should be seperated from this article. It is quite different from the older anime and therefore needs to be removed or seperated from this article and we require a new picture for the anime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deepu 1992 (talk • contribs) 05:22, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely not. The Final Act is not different at all, it is just an animation of the final part manga, which is the primary topic of the article. The anime is an adaptation of the manga, and continues the exact same story. There is no valid reason to split it out, nor does the image need to be changed as, again, it is a representative image of the manga. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 05:58, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Guys, help please

Someone has changed the info of the article, namely the info under the pic of the manga. Also it's in the plot and other parts of the article.

I don't know how to revert it to the original, nor do I have all the info for the original people cuz someone changed it.

This is definately vandalism. Please help! T_T

~Garfield Turtle Anime~ (talk) 13:52, 14 February 2010 (UTC) Hajiru

Reverted the vandalism that stated the series has only one volume (it has 56) and that it ended it's run one day after it began . I will look into who did this and will revert any of his aditions . --New Babylon 2 (talk) 14:56, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Done . The responsible is user 76.15.77.178 , who has vandalised other pages as well . I have filled out , to the best of my knowledge , the "report form" . Now we have to wait and see . --New Babylon 2 (talk) 15:22, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks New Babylon. I had a feeling something wasn't right when I saw the weird names and the volumes being only 1.

It was probably an anti-InuYasha fan or something....either that or a prankster.

~Garfield Turtle Anime~ (talk) 18:14, 14 February 2010 (UTC) Hajiru

I haven't watched the whole series , so there might be something in the character bios I missed , but I didn't see any out of place links . Though when anyone is going to look into it is a mystery . --New Babylon 2 (talk) 21:55, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

The named account the IP used was block per the AIV report I did this morning. IP would have been auto blocked at the same time. The report you filed, at Wikipedia:Abuse response/76.15.77.178, was the wrong kind of report. That is for long term, heavy abuse from an IP that has already been blocked at least 5 times but continues. Its used for reporting vandalism to an ISP, for further action. In this case, it was a one time thing by a single person and its first block. For future note, vandalism of this kind is reported to WP:AIV, which is generally acted on quickly. :-) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:04, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

No. of Episodes

Is it absolutely necessary that the number of Inuyasha: Kanketsu-hen episodes reflect the number that are actually released? We know that that there's gonna be 26... Karunyan (talk) 09:10, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes. There has yet to be a reliable source to state with certainty it will be 26, plus anything can happen between now and when the final episode airs. Until its actually aired, it can't be included. This is the general guideline for all on-going anime/television series. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 14:34, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

InuYasha the movie 5: The final confrontation?

Hey someone keeps trying to add that title to the list of InuYasha films. Would anyone know why they are doing that? I never heard of a movie being made so I don't know where they're getting that. Besides, once the last episode airs why would there be another movie? Once Naraku dies, what villain would InuYasha and the gang have left? Did I miss something? HELP!

~Garfield Turtle Anime~ (talk) 14:39, 23 March 2010 (UTC) Hajiru

There is one movie already which takes place after the suposed "defeat" of Naraku , as in an alternate story , so this is not a very big stretch . --New Babylon 2 (talk) 17:12, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Plot

That is the most confusing and incoherent plot-line I have ever read. I haven't seen the show so would someone mind fixing it up a little for people who don't know what you're talking about?--Jacksoncw (talk) 19:37, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

I haven't seen the series in a while, but I'll give it a try.Tintor2 (talk) 20:44, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

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InuYasha versus Inuyasha

So, when Viz licensed the series, they first went Inu-Yasha, both as the name of the series and the main character. After they moved from their Viz Graphic Novel line to their Shonen Jump Graphic Novel line, they made a new logo and the series became InuYasha while the character himself became Inuyasha. This holds true for both the comic and the anime, as well as all other official sources (such as Viz' website). I guess I should mention that Inuyasha is now also used as the name of the series nowadays, like on Viz' website and on Hulu... But that isn't the point I'm trying to make. I'm just saying his name is Inuyasha, and has never been InuYasha, so I would like to correct this mistake on the various pages. Any objections? Linkdude20002001 (talk) 21:23, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Now, for the title itself... It too started out as Inu-Yasha back when Viz first licensed the comic, but when they made that move to Shonen Jump Graphic Novels, they made a brand new, more catchy-looking logo stylized as InuYasha. From this point on, whenever Viz referred to the show, they called it InuYasha as it was written in the logo. However, nowadays they write it out as Inuyasha like they do the character's name. Go do any amount of searching, and that's exactly what you will see. You can check out the official "Inuyasha" page on Viz' website, Neon Alley, and Hulu for examples of the updated spelling in action. We should move the page to Inuyasha. Linkdude20002001 (talk) 22:31, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you. If you go to www.viz.com/inuyasha - it is listed as "Inuyasha". If the move is made, all Inuyasha sub-pages need to be moved as well. Good point. Chambr (talk) 05:18, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

I also support this. Lucia Black (talk) 05:32, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Requested moves

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The result of the move request was: moved. A couple of histmerges also required. Jenks24 (talk) 12:30, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

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• InuYasha → Inuyasha
• List of InuYasha characters → List of Inuyasha characters
• List of InuYasha volumes → List of Inuyasha volumes
• List of InuYasha chapters (1–198) → List of Inuyasha chapters (1–198)
• List of InuYasha chapters (199–398) → List of Inuyasha chapters (199–398)
• List of InuYasha chapters (399–558) → List of Inuyasha chapters (399–558)
• List of InuYasha episodes → List of Inuyasha episodes
• List of InuYasha episodes (season 1) → List of Inuyasha episodes (season 1)
• List of InuYasha episodes (season 2) → List of Inuyasha episodes (season 2)
• List of InuYasha episodes (season 3) → List of Inuyasha episodes (season 3)
• List of InuYasha episodes (season 4) → List of Inuyasha episodes (season 4)
• List of InuYasha episodes (season 5) → List of Inuyasha episodes (season 5)
• List of InuYasha episodes (season 6) → List of Inuyasha episodes (season 6)
• List of InuYasha: The Final Act episodes → List of Inuyasha: The Final Act episodes
• InuYasha the Movie: Affections Touching Across Time → Inuyasha the Movie: Affections Touching Across Time
• InuYasha the Movie: The Castle Beyond the Looking Glass → Inuyasha the Movie: The Castle Beyond the Looking Glass
• InuYasha the Movie: Swords of an Honorable Ruler → Inuyasha the Movie: Swords of an Honorable Ruler
• InuYasha the Movie: Fire on the Mystic Island → Inuyasha the Movie: Fire on the Mystic Island
• InuYasha: A Feudal Fairy Tale → Inuyasha: A Feudal Fairy Tale
• InuYasha: Feudal Combat → Inuyasha: Feudal Combat
• InuYasha: The Secret of the Cursed Mask → Inuyasha: The Secret of the Cursed Mask
• InuYasha: Secret of the Divine Jewel → Inuyasha: Secret of the Divine Jewel

– Despite the logo stylizing the name as "InuYasha", Viz never spells it that way. Both the character and the show are constantly refered to as "Inuyasha". Sources: the official "Inuyasha" page on Viz' website, Neon Alley, Hulu, the back description on the comics (the actual material in the comic itself uses all capital letters, so it's of no use), the back description on the DVDs and BDs, and the official subtitles. Linkdude20002001 (talk) 20:08, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

• Support the WP:MOSTM also have applies here. The fact that VIZ itself no longer uses the name mean there is no reason to stick with InuYasha.--67.68.162.111 (talk) 21:52, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

• It is recommended to read the policy before commenting: "Trademarks in CamelCase are a judgment call. CamelCase may be used where it reflects general usage and makes the trademark more readable." I don't see you requesting a move of PowerPoint or iTunes, which are "trademark stylizations". © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 04:38, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

• Support per my previous comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga/Archive 59#Inu?asha. —Farix (t | c) 22:27, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
• Support, whatever Viz uses is trivial. But, a basic search in Google indicates "Inuyasha" is the WP:COMMONAME. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 04:38, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

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Should the article also use youkai, hanyou, and kitsune

I know the English version uses Demon. I am not suggest to change the content but I am asking should there be a note that in the Japanese they are known as Youkai or hanyou. Youkai are not really the same thing as demons.

Also, with Shippo he is a kitsune (fox) youkai should that also be stated? Truthseeker1022 (talk) 20:52, 26 April 2016 (UTC)