Talk:Insurgency in Laos

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Why are they revolting? well this is crap.

They're revolting because they're being brutalized and slaughtered. On a related note, would anyone object if I added this to Category:Genocide? Josh (talk) 03:37, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rename?[edit]

Why not simply "Persecution of Hmong?" We have "Persecution of Falun Gong," so why the wordy title on this one? 22:16, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Need to develop accuracy[edit]

As the primary writer on the Laotian Civil War, I have to point out some serious inaccuracies in this article. To do so, I am going to quote the section that needs work, along with the facts I have researched.

"Hmong forces attacked North Vietnamese supply lines on the Ho Chi Minh Trail,"

Actually, most fighting between Hmong and PAVN took place on the Plaine des Jarres, far from the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

"rescued downed American pilots,"

True.

"were utilized by the CIA as drug traffickers,"

Untrue, no matter which view you take of the complex situation of the CIA, the Hmong, and their sole cash crop, of opium.

"and waged battles against the communist/nationalist Pathet Lao."

Upon occasion. Although the Pathet Lao were communists, and there were many non-Pathet Lao nationalists, including the Neutralists.

"They also backed up the Lao Royal Army to combat the Pathet Lao and North Vietnamese Army."

To be more accurate, the Hmong fought for Laos while the RLG troops usually spectated. In ground combat, the Hmong and the NVA regulars were the principal opponents.

I might end by also noting the need for renaming this article. The Hmong conflict in Laos dates back to the late 1940s, so limiting the conflict to 1975 to present is misleading. Unless, of course, this article is extended backwards in time to approximately 1945.

Georgejdorner (talk) 06:20, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to outright question the objectivity of this page. It is very much so pro hmong with little objectivity.Slipoutside (talk) 19:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Sources[edit]

Suab Hmong News: Hmong, Lao, Vietnamese, and Cambodia rally against Vietnam officials visit USA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsVFonG0hP0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOGoSjksjxc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZyX1xYmLcs

http://www.shrdo.com/index.php/suabhmong-news/hmong-news/1869-hmong-lao-vietnamese-and-cambodia-group-in-minnesota-rallied-calling-for-human-rights-in-vietnam-and-laos

Vietnam's secret crime against Hmong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5k0xeIjICQ

Vietnam: Hmong Christians Remain Bold Witnesses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQVeaFVOUbY

http://www.unpo.org/article/196

Rajmaan (talk) 05:21, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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"Hmong genocide" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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More citations needed[edit]

Several paragraphs are unsourced or sourced by only one citation, often unreliable blogs. This article needs more citations for verification. CentreLeftRight ✉ 22:42, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2008 end date?[edit]

Why does it state that the insurgency ended in 2008 when sporadic attacks still happen? Aren't these related? Wowzers122 (talk) 02:47, 11 June 2022 (UTC) https://www.rfa.org/english/news/laos/clash-03182021163834.html https://www.rfa.org/english/news/laos/assault-04012021160502.html https://unpo.org/article/19682[reply]

It seems to me that somebody arbitrarily chose 2008 as the ending year. The original source given was a student's presentation and it did not even claim that the insurgency ended in 2008. The editor Baba Mica attempted to remedy the sourcing issue, but the source they provided does not say anything regarding the end of the conflict. The date Baba Mica gave, 10 July 2008, is only mentioned in one sentence that says nothing about the conflict's duration ("On July 10, the Thai authorities repatriated approximately 400 Hmong to Laos."), so I do not know what's going on here. Yue🌙 05:56, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ended in 2020?[edit]

These two edits have changed the ending date from "present" to "circa. 2020". But the newly added source doesn't have any mention of the conflict.

The source deleted by these edits , on the other hand, clearly indicates there was a clash in 2021.

A comment in these edits reasoned the change as "There wasn't a single major attack in 2022 (ACLED recorded not a single death related to the insurgency in 2022), so it is ended". The added source does not directly say there was no major attack in 2022. Therefore, this must be WP:OR at the very least. Furthermore, even if in fact there had been no attack in 2022, that wouldn't directly mean the conflict would have been ended. Niboshi000 (talk) 18:32, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted those edits. Niboshi000 (talk) 16:23, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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