Talk:Idi probak

This sport is typical from Basque Country where is known Idi probak (oxen tests) or Idi demak (oxen wagers) in Basque, Arrastre de piedra (stone dragging) or Prueba de bueyes (oxherd test) in Spanish and concours de bœf in French. However oxen tests are also tradicional in the neighbouring Cantabria and Asturias where are known as Tiro con Bueyes, Tiru güeis, Tira bueis (oxen pulling) or Arrastre de Narras o simplemente Arrastre(dragging). Therefore due to the large amount of names and languages used in these regions the english translation is probably more impartial for future enlargements of the article.Uhanu (talk) 16:39, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

I'd like to move this page back. This page deals specifically with the Basque variant of this game and is not really the right place to include the Asturian variant or an overarching page on oxen games. For this purpose I have created the page Bovine sports, similar to pages on Equestrianism for example which can be extended into an overarching page on sports involving cows, bulls, oxen etc.

I believe this should be uncontroversial. Cheers Akerbeltz (talk) 21:33, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

All right, I agree with your solution of creating Bovine sports and move this page back while the article Cantabrian oxen events is developed. However I think the Basque and Cantabrian oxen events are exactly the same thing with different names, in fact many basques contestants compete every year in Cantabrian prizes and vice versa; and oxen trading is usual between both regions. These rural sports like "Traineras/Traineru", "Tiru cuerda/Sokatira", "Siega con dalle/Segalariak", "Corte de Troncos/Trontza" o "Carrera de lecheras/Txinga eroatea" are considerated Basques however they are practiced in all of regions of Northern Spain: Cantabria, Basque Country, Asturias, Navarra and to a lesser extent Galicia. Anyway, as I said, you can move the page back. Uhanu (talk) 15:49, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Uhanu : )

Yes, I agree that some of these "Basque" sports are common outside the BC - as you said, traineras are common all along the northern coast and rope pulling in many other countries. Thing is, I'm not highly familiar with the Cantabria/Asturian variants of these and I'm sure that there must be some differences between the two so I think it makes sense to keep them apart but if you want to do a page on Cantabrian tiru cuerda, siega etc, we can link the pages and make it clear that these are sports/traditions which aren't exclusively Basque. I think it would just get messy to try and cover everything in the same page. I look forward to reading about the Asturian games! Akerbeltz (talk) 17:53, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

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