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Where to redirect?[edit]

This has now been open for a week, the usual length of time for requested moves, so closing it now seems reasonable. Despite some late objections, there is a convincing level of support for changing the redirect target, and different targets for all-capitals versus capitalising the first letter only is supported in policy at WP:DIFFCAPS. So, the consensus is to redirect ISIS to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 09:26, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Keeping in mind that we are only discussing this specific capitalization: should ISIS redirect to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or should it redirect/host a disambiguation page (currently located at Isis (disambiguation))? Red Slash 03:05, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Redirect to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. Clear primary topic for this capitalization (see maven/MAVEN, etc.). Most people finding this exact page are looking not for Isis but rather the modern-day jihadist group, and I think we're wasting their time if we don't send them directly and merrily on their way. I request your perspectives, however. Red Slash 03:05, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, it should go straight to "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant", not the disambiguation page. --P123ct1 (talk) 06:31, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect as ISIS used in all caps has so far only been used to refer to the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (as far is I know), and quite recently, nearly every single person who uses that keyword on the Internet has the intention of finding some information of the "Islamic State" organization, not anything else. LightandDark2000 (talk) 06:35, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agree! Anyone mistakenly searching with caps lock on when searching for isis will rapidly realise that they have gone 4500 years too far forward and 2500 km too far North-east-east. They can easily search again. ISIL redirects and this should do the same. Gregkaye ✍♪ 12:04, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to disambiguation page – Isis (goddess) is also a commonly searched term. Let's not ignore that, or any of the other Isis or ISIS's, with or without caps. And when ISIL (because Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant is the page title) goes out of vogue, news results won't show it. This group prefers "Islamic State" anyway. – Epicgenius (talk) 12:41, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Wrong caps! I see now, all-caps "ISIS" refers to ISIL. – Epicgenius (talk) 00:52, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the number one item in the news of late, WP:RECENTISM be damned. older ≠ wiser 22:04, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Bkonrad Care to clarify? (as RECENTISM was cited to keep "Islamic State" -> redirecting to that dab, although that has a broadconcept and SIA items) Widefox; talk 05:46, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

REDIRECT I strongly support a redirect to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. When a reader types in ISIS, in all caps, it is intentional–they are looking for the Islamic State of Iraq Levant. I don't see a reason not to redirect. Meatsgains (talk) 04:14, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Problem: despite unanimous consensus for change in the redirect the page is protected as per edit here. I will now flag with template:

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Please can the redirect be changed to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant? Gregkaye ✍♪ 11:28, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Too early, wait..see WP:CLOSE. WP:DEADLINE seems appropriate. In the meantime the dab adds one more click. There's no emergency. Widefox; talk 05:46, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC:
- "highly likely—much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined": Likely, no objection.
- "long-term significance, if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term": Maybe? If there's consensus to be quite RECENT, as long as others are mindful that we may keep adding more redirects from PRIMARYTOPICs and/or overturn this later if news abandons this term, for instance "IS" (and "Islamic State") is in use by the BBC and others.
  - For that see WP:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2014_September_7#Islamic_State Widefox; talk 12:02, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The template {{Editprotected}} can be used to retarget this fully-protected redirect. Normally, it should be placed on the target's talk page; however, since this RfC has taken place here on this talk page, it is better to place it here. Be sure to be very clear about the change you want. – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 13:54, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Islamic State - I was just thinking this the other day when I looked it up. Seems pretty clear what users will be searching for at this point. PraetorianFury (talk) 16:49, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Weakly support redirect to the terrorist group -- While I worry about recentism, especially considering the extreme an long lasting notability of the primary topic of Isis, it's obvious that ISIS not leading to the terrorist group is currently making life more difficult for the overwhelming majority of readers using that search term. Perhaps a discussion about the redirect should be held again should the group's heavy news coverage drop at some point in the future.--Yaksar (let's chat) 18:43, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It is 1 more click. Widefox; talk 05:46, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Leave as is. despite the recent coverage Isis the God is and has been the primary. There is no telling if or when the Islamic State under the name ISIS will become the primary. Serialjoepsycho (talk) 02:43, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Leave as is. Isis the ancient Egyptian god is more relevant than a terrorist group. and there are other common uses. - Cwobeel (talk) 00:53, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as is – Plenty of groups use these initials, and "ISIS" is already outdated (it hasn't been the "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria" for a while now) even though it is still commonly used, and it is better to present all of the options when there are so many things that "ISIS" stands for. Dustin (talk) 21:19, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi! As per the developing consensus here and (IMO) common sense, would someone be so kind as to temporarily redirect ISIS to the article about the terror group until and unless consensus changes? Thank you! Red Slash 03:13, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done as per the close above. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 09:26, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Disambiguate[edit]

While the redirect was a year ago, more recently there has been news about other organisations named ISIS (as an acronym not just the God's name). Not just the pharma company and the NGOs but I was just watching on the news about a book store nameD ISIS that said they wont change the name and that the group should use the word Daesh. Nevertheless, this disambiguation is in the news (which it wasn't at the time of the discussion above).Lihaas (talk) 11:20, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above consensus no longer applies since the disambiguation has been getting a lot of news lately. I agree with Lihaas. Min al Khadr (talk) 21:59, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am very well aware of the existence of Daesh and the current use of the ISIS/ISIL acronyms for it, but I came looking here twice to look for the ISIS (operating system) on one occasion and for IS-IS on the other and ended up with Daesh anyway. I think that Daesh is here to stay for a while but I feel we should reconsider restoring the disambiguation page under ISIS. Got caught twice (to my surprise). I think the top position the Daesh currently enjoys on the list is appropriate. « Saper // @talk » 00:19, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

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Suggestion[edit]

I think putting a page of ISIS to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant is not fair, but it would be better to make it go to Isis (disambiguation) or Isis, Because this is not the correct abbreviation of the word but (ISIL), in addition to the fact that the origin of the word does not return to the organization until it is placed at the top of the page, the word return is more than 7,000 thousand years before ISIL the emergence of terrorist organization. Egy writer (talk) 17:01, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]