Talk:Hurricane Hattie

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Article name[edit]

I'm not sure I agree with the renaming of this as Hattie-Simone. See the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tropical_Cyclones#Zone_Crossers. Jdorje 18:01, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If you go on to do that, you should include its full lineage which is Hattie/Simone/Inga. I'm relooking for the old Weatherwise article that talks about the evolution of the only known storm to cross from the Atlantic Basin into the Eastern Pacific, and back again across the Isthmus of Tehauntepec. I believe it was published soon after the fact in 1962. thegreatdr 18:19, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it is official that Inga was the same storm...probably like Katrina and TD10, I believe there is some doubt that Simone's circulation lead to Inga. — jdorje (talk) 19:54, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Todo[edit]

More content... Jdorje 08:14, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

References, especially for multi-basin[edit]

As pointed out in my talk page, references for this article are quite lacking - particularly any that support the claim that hattie, simone, and/or inga were the same storm. No doubt I'm much to blame here; all i can recall from working on this article is that I wanted to get the track map right with the multi-basin nature of the storm. But I did not do careful research on it; going with the first secondary/tertiary source I found. As I recall.

So, what's the truth? From a brief bit of research it looks like things are actually uncertain and the article is flat incorrect to claim the storms were definitively the same. This book claims without any particular evidence that the storms were not the same, deferring to the ever-upcoming NHC re-analysis for the final word. This book claims they were the same, but as it was published in 2007 (after the writing of this article) and again cites no evidence this is useless as a reference. This book, or research paper, discusses the topic briefly and appears to cite sources supporting both independent and singular cyclogenesis. Tracking down the sources cited in that last might be productive.

Either way however it seems that we will have to cop out and claim uncertainty, preferably with secondary sources supporting each side. Another idea would be to email the NHC and see if they will give a final word on the matter.

— jdorje (talk) 06:17, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: 12george1 (talk · contribs) 22:35, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • "Hattie left about $60 million in damage" - Was this U.S. dollars in the year 1961? Or was it Canadian dollars in the year 1994?
  • "station recorded a pressure of 991 mbar and sustained winds"..."reaching 924 mbar by 1300 UTC; a lower pressure of 920 mbar was computed at 1700 UTC that day" - Convert those three millibar (mbar) observations to inches of mercury (inHg).
  • "Initially, forecasters at the Miami Weather Bureau predicted the storm to turn northward again." - Wikilink "Weather Bureau" Never mind, it is already linked earlier, but I wasn't paying attention to it.--12george1 (talk) 22:51, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "As it was dissipating Tropical Storm Simone was developing off the Pacific coast of Guatemala." - Why Tropical Storm Simone dissipated and developing at the same time? Add a comma between "dissipating" and "Tropical".
  • "the agency noted the potential for heavy rainfall in the southwestern Caribbean, which could potentially cause flash flooding." - I'm not sure, but I don't think the words "potential" and "potentially" should be used in the same sentence.
  • There are several alternating uses of Belize and British Honduras. Try to stick to one or the other. Also, do you have to note almost every time that British Honduras is modern day Belize?
  • "The name Hattie was retired and will never be used by an Atlantic hurricane again." - Wikilink "retired" to "List of retired Atlantic hurricane names" or post it at the top of the Aftermath section like this: {{See also|List of retired Atlantic hurricane names}}
  • There is inconsistency with the use of first and last names in the references. On #1, #3, #4, #6, and #13, you have only last names. Clark = Gilbert B. Clark, Dunn = Gordon E. Dunn, Kraft = Raymond F. Kraft, Moore = Paul E. Moore.

All should be taken care of! --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:24, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nick work! I am going to passed this article now,--12george1 (talk) 02:35, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Stamp[edit]

The image of the stamp just cleared crown copyright, which is 50 years, from what I understand. The stamp was printed 51 years ago, and placed onto wikipedia last year. We have to be careful with printings/images originating from Great Britain. Thegreatdr (talk) 02:52, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, jeez, had no idea it was that close! --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:03, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Jimmy Cliff song?[edit]

I'm not sure if the principal authors here think it's too tangential to warrant inclusion, but it may be worth mentioning that Jimmy Cliff's breakthrough hit was his song "Hurricane Hattie," inspired by the storm. He's a pretty big name in reggae, so this is more notable than most pop culture references, I suspect. Just a thought! – Juliancolton | Talk 19:36, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I've rummaged around looking for a more more exciting alternative image for main page day, but I'm not coming up with much. – Juliancolton | Talk 21:09, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is a cute little song! Damn, interesting that Cliff's breakthrough song is named after the storm. I incorporated it into the long term aftermath paragraph. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:39, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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