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Photo[edit]

Added photo, removed "reqphoto" tag. - PKM 23:46, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not be unappreciative, but you can't really make out the shape of the hat in the picture, it could just as easily be a fedora. We really need a picture that clearly shows the hallmarks of the style which distinguish it, such as the upturned brim.--Ericjs (talk) 00:58, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hessen[edit]

Is It not simply Hesse in English or are we not talking about the same division of Germany. This came up on another page as in German the state is called Hessen and the people Hesse whilst in English the State is called Hesse and the people Hessians. I didn't want to change it incase i was mistaken about where exactly Eddy got the Hat, would some one who knows confirm it either way and if appropriate change the word.(86.31.182.119 (talk) 23:18, 5 August 2008 (UTC))[reply]

You are right. Es ist Hessen gemeint und das wird auf Englisch Hesse genannt. --93.135.110.74 (talk) 17:19, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hassidic homburg[edit]

Many Hassidic jews wear a variation of the Homburg hat even today. (though some only wear it during the week, and wear a shtriemel on the sabbath)

Input is always welcome, but please sign your posts! Looks like a ghost was here. Djathinkimacowboy 21:59, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Stub?[edit]

What I wish to know is this: with information about the Homburg amounting to mere stubs even in the literature, why do we keep this article labeled as a stub? It's as good as it's going to get, unless someone can find a citation about it being called a "Godfather" hat!

We can't add something when there's no more to add. Could this be merged with fedora? Djathinkimacowboy 22:04, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This deserves its own article, albeit a necessarily short article. No merging is necessary, in my opinion. I have removed the stub tag and added additional facts with citations. It can't be a stub if that is all there is available for an article. An excellent article need not be pages and pages in length!

If anyone has additional information about King Edward VII's Homburgs and can contribute, please do! Djathinkimacowboy 13:40, 20 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Caps and apostrophes[edit]

For "1930s" vs "1930's", see WP:DECADE: "Decades as such contain neither an apostrophe nor the suffix -ies (the 1980s, not the 1980's, not the 1980-ies, and definitely not the 1980s')."

Homburg (hat) is not a proper noun and is not capitalized (except at the beginning of a sentence, etc.), according to a couple dictionaries I checked: Merriam-Webster and the Canadian Oxford Dictionary. I also do not see the point of using the German word Homburger in the article (which of course should keep its capital if we keep this word). We should stick to English. Just because the hats belong German speakers does not change them from homburgs to Homburger. Indefatigable (talk) 23:54, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your points are well taken. Well cited. I was raised to capitalise "Homburg" because not to do so was thought incorrect, but you are correct over my understanding of it. I appreciate the examination of the article thus far. You are helping broaden and expand it. I thank you. Djathinkimacowboy 01:38, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Both capitalised and non-capitalised versions are widespread, neither is the "correct" version. E.g. Chambers dictionary capitalises it, other's don't. Of the five refs currently in the article, one is a book which I don't own, one is a dead link to a German site (where any noun would be capitalised anyway so of little relevance to English), the remaining three though are internet links and two use capitals, one does not. Both versions are correct. Mutt Lunker (talk) 23:47, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edward VII or VIII[edit]

Was it Edward VII or VIII who was associated with this type of hat? The article is contradicted by the sources quoted.

For those who don't know, Edward VII was the son of Queen Victoria, reigned from 1901-1910, and is the monarch for whom the Edwardian era is named. His grandson, Edward VIII, abdicated from the throne in 1936 in order to marry Wallis Simpson the following year. 87.114.176.28 (talk) 19:15, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, they are not contradictory. You are assuming that the reference in a book about the younger Edward does not refer to his grandfather. Mangoe (talk) 19:24, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Boater and Boater equivalence[edit]

In my reading of black tie (semi-formal) literature, the bowler or homburg is considered appropriate for the tuxedo. That should make the homburg a (classically defined) semi-formal hat, correct? I am wondering if this is worth mentioning. Also, traditionall men wore straw from May-Labor Day and felt the remainder of the year. The straw boater article is described as being the equivalent in formality to the homburg. Do we think these are worth including? I'm skeptical about the connection with the bowler, as it seems to be contemporary sartorial opinion. Coemgenv (talk) 18:45, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish Rabbincel use[edit]

there is a vast use of this hat as a rabbincal hat for jewish Ultra-Othdox rabbis. For instance former chieff rabbi of israel Yona Metzger.--ישיבשער (talk) 13:13, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 26 June 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: MOVED. (non-admin closure) Nobody has disputed Cuchullain's argument that sources commonly refer to this as a Homburg hat for 3+ weeks. power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC) power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Homburg (hat) → Homburg hat – For simplicity rather than brackets, per WP:CONSISTENCY with equivalent Bowler hat inter alia. Chicbyaccident (talk) 15:11, 26 June 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Favonian (talk) 14:25, 7 July 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Anarchyte (work | talk) 07:43, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose bowler hat is called a bowler hat while homburg, trilby, and boater aren't עם ישראל חי (talk) 16:28, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I agree with the above reasoning. Rreagan007 (talk) 16:35, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:NATURALDIS, which is preferable to parentheses when it's available. The idea that this hat isn't alternatively known as a "homburg hat" is easily disproven by a Google Books search.[1]--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:33, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:NATDIS and the books results Cuchullain brought up. An exact case of exactly when natural disambiguation is used. Yes, they "hat" may often be omitted, but it's not always, and that means it's a valid longform name to use for disambiguation purposes. oknazevad (talk) 18:10, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The evidence given by Cuchullain should be sufficient to allay the concerns raised by those who expressed opposition. Dekimasuよ! 21:33, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Homburg hats[edit]

Who wear or wore these hats? 71.10.15.178 (talk) 15:48, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Homburg+(hat)" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

The redirect Homburg+(hat) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 21 § Homburg+(hat) until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 06:25, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]