Talk:Holy Face of Jesus

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Holy Face[edit]

The Holy Face image on the Shroud of Turin is similar to that seen on the Veil of Veronica which is preserved at the Vatican. The eyes are closed and the pose of the face is similar. There has never been any Papal decree declaring that the Veil of Veronica is not a true image of Jesus, or that the Shroud of Turin is to be supplanted as the only accepted image in any way. To do so would require the Pope to void out the 6th Station of the Cross. The Shroud of Turin is believed to be the burial cloth of Jesus by Catholics, and the Veil of Veronica is also believed to bear the true image of Christ's face on his way to the crucifixion. Neither is there a preference for a pre or post crucifixion image. The Shroud is not more valid an image than the Veil.Malke2010 15:29, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That there "has never been any Papal decree declaring that the Veil of Veronica is not a true image of Jesus" frankly means nothing. The Shroud has, as we know, attracted some support as a historically authentic image, but the Veil, only one of at least 6 supposed originals (never mind that some claim the folded shroud was the veil), has not. Johnbod (talk) 15:46, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't get upset John. Malke has been Wikihounding me for a while now. This is more about Wikihounding than anything else. History2007 (talk) 15:47, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Johnbod, I'm not questioning the Shroud at all. I removed the original research that made the claim that the Pope had declared the Shroud and not the Veil to be the Holy Face. That has never happened, and the source used didn't support it. In fact, the source doesn't mention any such thing. That is turning out to be the case on many Catholic articles I've been looking at lately. Original research citing a source that says no such thing. As far as devotion to the Holy Face on the Veil of Veronica, it has wide following within the Church to this day, and has been promoted by several saints, including St. Therese of Lisieux, and the Popes. And as I said, Veronica offering her veil to Jesus is the 6th Station of the Cross. Yes, indeed, it means everything that the article should not claim that the Veil has been discarded and replaced by the Shroud. That is not the case. If anything, many Catholics believe the Shroud proves the authenticity of the Veil.Malke2010 14:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It said, and still says that one of the approvals (by our favorite pope) was 1895, 3 years before the shroud photo was taken. So what you thought it said was not so anyway. History2007 (talk) 14:42, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's obvious the edit made the claim that Leo XIII and Pius XII were now only approving devotions to the Shroud. That was not true, and not only that, the citation said no such thing. It was entirely original reseearch.Malke2010 15:40, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Forget it. Leo died in 1903, and at that time the photos of the Shroud were questioned as unreliable. Enough is enough of this. History2007 (talk) 15:46, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge from Priests of the Holy Face[edit]

  • Support. PPEMES (talk) 08:19, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support: minimal article size, obscure, marginal notability. No need to maintain its own article. Better visibility in this article, to boot. Elizium23 (talk) 08:37, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment -"When Leo Dupont died in 1876, his house on Rue St. Etienne in Tours was purchased by the Archdiocese of Tours and turned into the Oratory of the Holy Face. The oratory is administered by an order of priests called the Priests of the Holy Face, canonically erected in 1876." Propose switching the target destination of the merge to Oratory of the Holy Face as they seem to have a more immediate and direct connection with that. Cheers. Manannan67 (talk) 21:28, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Formally proposing the next target (uncontested suggestion); . Klbrain (talk) 12:03, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vatican Approval and Feast Day[edit]

There is no source cited for Pius XII approving the Holy Face devotion or making Shrove Tuesday the Feast Day of the Holy Face -- it's not on the Roman Calendar now. AlexRettie (talk) 07:18, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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