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Sunflower[edit]

"Sunflower" is not a single from this album. Stop adding it as a single on here or changing the single numbers on the song pages. The "Wow" and "Goodbyes" CD singles literally said "single 1" and "single 2" on them. "Sunflower" was added to the album, but it is not a single that promotes the album. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 22:27, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Overall genre of album[edit]

What should we put in the infobox as the album's genre? Right now there are four genres, all coming from one review by NME that has a confusing description of genre. To me, it looks like too much emphasis on NME to the detriment of all the other published reviews.

Most of the published reviews call this a pop album. Pitchfork, Consequence of Sound, Variety, Billboard, The Fader and GQ all describe the album in terms of pop music, although Variety says "trap-pop", whatever that is. Some other sources such as The Atlantic and Vulture have trouble settling on an overall genre, calling out the album's genre-bending qualities, with every song having a different combination of genre elements.

So let's not mislead the reader into thinking the album is standard synth pop. Or standard rock or trap or hop-hop. It's not standard anything. I'd say it's generally pop. Binksternet (talk) 15:49, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Binksternet: I completely agree with you on this. That review by NME is confusing and misleading, I have remove the source off the infobox and replace it with sources that describe the album as pop [1]. Pinging @Bowling is life: @Billiekhalidfan: just in case if they disagree with you on this. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 12:55, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I do agree that the NME genre descriptor didn't make much sense. Although I think we should add trap-pop and link it to Trap music#Influence and cross-pollination, which is where pop-trap redirects. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 20:05, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just listing pop is't enough. We should at least find sources for trap and hip hop as well. Bowling is life (talk) 22:49, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Bowling is life: Completely agree but haven't found sources supporting those yet. This album clearly combines multiple genres, and is not just a pop album. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 23:01, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Billiekhalidfan: "Trap-pop" is not a genre, while I agree with you that the album is not just a pop album but hip hop, trap and other genres need to be supported by a source that actually called the album these genres. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 18:59, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@TheAmazingPeanuts: Why is trap-pop not a genre? I've seen it used on many song/album articles, including Ariana Grande's "7 Rings", "Break Up with Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored" and "Monopoly". I've also seen other fusion genres like electro-R&B used on articles such as "I Don't Wanna Live Forever" and disco-R&B used on "Dancing with a Stranger". Billiekhalidfan (talk) 00:53, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Billiekhalidfan: You have a point, I didn't know the genres can be used in that way. "Trap-pop" can be added in the infobox since the genre is supported by Variety. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 01:31, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The infobox should represent a good cross-section of all the reliable reviews. If only one review out of many says trap-pop then it's not so important as to be displayed in the infobox. Certainly it can and should be mentioned in the article body. Binksternet (talk) 02:48, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Binksternet: So you're saying "trap-pop" should be removed? TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 22:03, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Binksternet (talk) 03:06, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Binksternet: Done. If it should be added in the article body, how would you add it? TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 22:31, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say that a review in Variety said the album was a blend of "country, rock, hip-hop and modern soft soul" and that Malone gives the album a "refined trap-pop vibe." Binksternet (talk) 04:28, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Binksternet: Where should we add it at? TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 21:10, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I trust your judgement. Binksternet (talk) 02:38, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Binksternet: I replace the quote from Metacritic and added the sentence instead here. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 22:07, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should blank the genre section until we get this sorted out. I agree that this is not just a pop album. Listing just pop is misleading. I'm sure we can find sources for other genres such as hip hop and trap. Bowling is life (talk) 04:25, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Bowling is life: I don't agree with that at all. Just because you think the album is not just pop doesn't mean we should blank the genre section, most of the sources explicitly called the album pop. This is Wikipedia, we add content based on sources not on opinion. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 00:41, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No need to blank the infobox genre since most sources describe the album as pop. It's not like we're fishing around for the right genre. The album is all over the place, and most reviewers acknowledge this, and classify it as pop. Binksternet (talk) 06:05, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think "trap-pop" should be restored. Just because only one source calls it trap-pop doesn't mean we can't have it in the infobox, and this album clearly displays trap elements. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 00:22, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Binksternet: Billiekhalidfan add a source here, but I think the source didn't called the album these genres. I think Billiekhalidfan went overboard with this. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 18:02, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I just don't see the justification. Nobody is saying the album's overall genre is all of that stuff. Rather, the songs are all over the map stylistically, each one a different combination of genres. Song genres are not the same thing as overall album genre. Binksternet (talk) 14:27, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@TheAmazingPeanuts: Dude. We don't need to discuss before adding genres. If the source refers to the album by that genre, it can be added. You gave no reason that these genres should not be included. And you're telling me to discuss the addition of the genres meanwhile you are removing them with no explanation and not even starting to discuss it. I have no clue why everyone thinks that the addition of sourced content needs discussion these days, especially when it's not even a contentious edit. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 00:57, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Billiekhalidfan: That source didn't explicitly called the album these genres, don't just add genres like that. It's misleading. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 18:22, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@TheAmazingPeanuts: How is it misleading? You were the one counting "trap-pop vibe" as trap-pop album. Even if you see "shards" and "nods" to mean "elements", the author states that "There's peppy pop-rock confections and standard trap collaborations" on the album. That is explicit. Pop rock and trap should definitely be restored, the others are debatable. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 01:25, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Billiekhalidfan: I believe "trap-pop" should be added back in the infobox since Variety did called the album that. But however regarding the Vulture source, I don't think There's peppy pop-rock confections and standard trap collaborations is explicit at all. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 18:39, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

While I wouldn't mind trap-pop being restored in the infobox, "trap-pop vibe" is not explicit. Vulture literally stated that there are pop-rock songs and trap songs on this album. I don't know how that isn't explicit to you. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 01:58, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Billiekhalidfan: After reading the source again, I guess you can add pop-rock and trap in the infobox but I wanna hear another opinion on this first. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 21:47, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@TheAmazingPeanuts: why are you anti adding rock, country, hip hop and soul when the source calls the album it? I think you're just being awkward for the sake of it. 2A02:C7F:70C8:2000:D6B:1A90:39AF:3D52 (talk) 10:20, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@2A02:C7F:70C8:2000:D6B:1A90:39AF:3D52: Did you even read this whole discussion? Me and Binksternet make it very clear that most of the sources only explicitly called the album pop, not rock, country, hip hop and soul. The genres mentioned in the Variety review didn't explicitly called the album those genres at all. And if you are the blocked editor Billiekhalidfan you should have know that. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 10:38, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly disagree, the album has been categorized and marketed as Hip-Hop/Rap. It's very misleading to call this album a Pop album without at least calling out the main genre under which it has been categorized. Does Apple Music, one of the largest music distributor in the world, not count as a primary source?

I'd also like to draw your attention to albums such as No.6 Collaborations Project, an Ed Sheeran album which is clearly 100 times more Pop than this. But it is listed as both Pop AND Hip-Hop AND R&B, because of certain features on the album. Nikki Lee 1999 (talk) 05:52, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]