Talk:History of the Jews in Italy

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Most of this article is directly copied from the Jewish Encyclopedia, which accounts for the strangly historic tone, and the NPOV problems, I think: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=369&letter=I&search=Italy

Italy, and its Jewish history[edit]

Why does Italy not appear in the default box at right, regarding Jews in History? Surely, the rich and long history warrants Italy's inclusion. Dogru144 14:38, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ghetto di Venezia
The first ghetto was founded in Venice. The Venice-ghetto gave the name to all ghettos in the world. See: Riccardo Calamani: Storia del ghetto di Venezia. Milano 1995. ISBN 99-04-49884-6 Parameter error in {{ISBN}}: checksum, Gregor Bert, Germany --89--.55.13.25 19:35, 26 August 2006 (UTC),[reply]

According to the Italian union of Jewish communities, in 2006 there were less than 25.000 Jews (that is, people who are members of Italian Orthodox Jewish communities) in Italy. See the 10th paragraph of http://www.ucei.it/CONGRESSO2006/relazioni/claudio_morpurgo.asp --Spararsi 19:29, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Union of Italian Jewish Communities[edit]

Someone needs to look at the organization called the Union of Italian Jewish Communities, and maybe create a stub article along the way. ADM (talk) 21:08, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Seconded. Its name: Unione delle Comunità Israelitiche Italiane; abbreviated: UCII. Evidently based in Rome, as likewise a welfare organization, Deputazione Israelitica di Assistenza (DIA). -- Deborahjay (talk) 08:29, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Expulsion from Papal States[edit]

It is not true, as the Wikipedia article had said, that when Jews were expelled from the Papal States in the 16th century (excepting Rome and Ancona), "the vast majority of Jews went to Turkey".
This is false, the majority of Jews simply went to other parts of Italy where they were granted refuge, e.g. Leghorn (Livorno) and Pitigliano (known as Little Jerusalem because of the large number of Jews who arrived there during this period).
This follows the historical pattern that when Jews were compelled to leave one part of Italy, they usually found refuge in another part of Italy. For example, Sicily in 1492 was controlled by the Spanish Kingdom of Aragon, and the 1492 Spanish Edict of Expulsion of Jews from Spain applied to the Jews of Sicily also. Most of the Jews who were expelled from Sicily went to other parts of Italy, including the Papal States.
Jacob Davidson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.88.173.7 (talk) 16:59, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pre-Christian Rome[edit]

One sentence in this section states "Jews in pre-Christian Rome were very active in proselytising their faith, leading to an increasing number of outright converts, as well as those who adopted some Jewish practices and belief in the Jewish God without actually converting."

Is there a source for this? This doesn't sound right to me, as we did not and don't engage in proselytizing.DougP1 (talk) 17:20, 6 August 2011 (UTC)DougP1[reply]

There are many sources for Jewish proselytism, which was common before the Romans banned it. Josephus discusses several conversions. Cicero and others complain of, or lampoon Jewish prostelytism. Matthew discusses competition between Christians and Jews in conversions. Apparently such activities were so successful that 10% of the Roman Empire was Jewish at one time. Pbleic (talk) 06:49, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Giuseppe Volpiis described as jewish, but I have not seen any evidence; on the contrary, it's well known that he was a member of the Great Council of Fascism until 1943, that in 1938 he was appointed chairman of Generali when due to the racial laws Edgardo Morpurgo was forced out, that his funeral was celebrated by bishop Roncalli (who later became Pope John XXIII. Ciao, --Sandribus (talk) 15:12, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the OP. The Jewish religion forbids proselytising and indeed converts are not only not sought but actively discouraged. The suggestion there was any proselytising at all while possibly an innocent error by somebody using sources with an agenda borders on libel. Indeed it is absurd to assert that people under active extermination by the government and the Catholic Church would antagonize the authorities by doing such a thing. Bottom line, seeking converts is against the Jewish religion, against Jewish practice, and there is no factual basis for any claims to the contrary.77.124.13.164 (talk) 06:39, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Son of whom?[edit]

The first paragraph uses the text of 1 Maccabees as the historical reference of the first ambassadors sent to Rome by Judas Maccabeus. If we read the text carefully, we see that Judas sent his nephew, Jason son of Eleazar. The other person is not another nephew. It was Eupolemus son of John, but not the son of Judas' brother, John Gaddi. It was Eupolemus son of John son of Accos. The Accos (also spelled Hakkoz [[1]], [[2]]) was another priestly family at the time. I removed the link to John Gaddi and provided a direct "bibleverse" link. --@Efrat (talk) 10:49, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Racial laws and Holocaust[edit]

Someone needs to add a section on Italy's racial laws, which began in Fall 1938, and on the Holocaust more generally.--82.102.141.201 (talk) 23:37, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

World War I[edit]

There should be a section on Italian Jews' role in World War I.--82.102.141.201 (talk) 23:35, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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