Talk:Geri Montano

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 6 January 2020 and 13 March 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Esong024, Iaguayo. Peer reviewers: Esong024, TimothyWuUCR.

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First of all, love the way you organized your work. For the Biography, I would recommend taking the word “ Biography” out and just leaving her name. In her biography I think you should mentions when he was born and date of death if she is dead. Overall, your biography of her is good. Is your early life section is combined with your biography section? Education section is also organized very well and honestly overall pretty good. I have no comment for the education section. WOW your artwork section is wow. I love how you actually went in depth with the description of the art pieces. I don’t really have anything to say about your work so far but just keep up the good work. If you can find more artwork I would say add some more and maybe putting the artwork in order by the year. Collection section is also amazing. Love how you really went in depth with everything. if there isn’t anything publications, i wouldn’t even add that section in unless you want others to fill it in if they find one. Lastly for the external links maybe adding her social media information is so because I was able to find her twitter. Overall your work is pretty good. I thought the tone of your work was pretty good as well. The cited work looks pretty trustworthy. I got some inspirations on how I should organize it and all. If you find any more information or anything ADD them in. Keep up the good work. Also how did you add a photo no the biography section? Please leave me a message on my talk page. THANK YOU. Have a wonderful day. haha this is really random but if you know the show Criminal Minds she looks like Penelope. Esong024 (talk) 22:43, 26 February 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Esong024 (talk • contribs) 22:39, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Notes from initial new article curation / review process[edit]

Thanks for your work on this. IMO it appears that this topic may not meet Wikipedia's wp:notability requirement. I hate to say this but I am just trying to do my job properly. None of the reference provides in-depth coverage of her. The most that is in there is brief bios under various listings. Many of the references are just on mentioned topics where there is nothing about her in the reference. This is fine except that they do not count towards wp:notability. I'm not taking this to AFD nor am I marking it as reviewed so that it may get a second opinion. Sincerely, — Preceding unsigned comment added by North8000 (talk • contribs) 01:57, May 20, 2020 (UTC)

North8000 there's no point in trying to talk to the creator of the article. They've left. This was an educational project. As you can see above, the students have given each other their peer review (with some terrible advice), they've probably received their grades, and we're left to clean up the mess. I see quite a lot of these and despair each time. I feel bad for the subject. Vexations (talk) 11:39, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Vexations: Thanks for the post. Maybe that makes it easier, because I think that the underlying problem is that the artist is not WP:notable. But I think I'll leave it for a second set of eyes. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 11:45, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

North8000, I should be clearer. My despair is about our inability to engage with these students. The problem is that the reviews happen to late, there is no communication, they work in a bubble; they are not really welcomed in the editing community. I don't really care about the quality of the articles or the lack of notability of the subjects they choose. Mostly they're pretty decent, sometimes even very good, and even when they aren't that's nothing to be concerned about, we get that all the time. But to just disappear... that's sad. Vexations (talk) 16:09, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Vexations: The peer review probably isn't bad for a real world view of a nice to read piece. The criteria for an encyclopedia, and a world-wide crowdsourced one are sort of a different thing. North8000 (talk) 16:17, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Vexations:, With the exception of "not really welcomed...", I pretty much agree with what you said. To me, it's basically a WP:NOTHERE problem, for which I don't blame the students. It's just their reality; they have an assignment, a grade coming up, other courses, and life looms. If you have some solutions or ideas to propose that might improve things generally beyond this article, I encourage you to take them to the Education Noticeboard, where they'll be heard by a wider audience.

Regarding welcoming students in particular: if you see a problem there, that ought to be an area that could be improved. I've even created some welcome templates, so am interested in that as a topic. If you raise this or other issues at ENB or elsewhere, please ping me. Adding @North8000 and Shalor (Wiki Ed):, Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 19:03, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mathglot, sorry, I wish I had worded that better. Engage students earlier? Clean out the backlogs so we give feedback while they're still editing, rather than three months later? Vexations (talk) 19:15, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've done some major cleanup of the page - Montano likely passes NARTIST via her exhibitions and the collections in the Crocker Museum, but I would like to find more sourcing. What's out there is kind of limited, unfortunately. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:25, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Shalor (Wiki Ed), I'm pretty decent at finding sources for artists from underrepresented groups. I'll give it another go. I have a hunch an article is feasible. Thanks for helping out. Vexations (talk) 18:44, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Shalor (Wiki Ed), I saw a claim that her work in in the collection of the Contemporary Jewish Museum. That seems unlikely, the CJM is a non-collecting institution. Her work has been incuded in Sabbath: The 2017 Dorothy Saxe Invitational https://www.thecjm.org/exhibitions/98 no useful content on that page unfortunately, just a mention. Vexations (talk) 19:04, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]