Talk:Funzie Girt

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Please forgive my quibbling, but I thought Funzie Girt (commonly pronounced, I believe, Finny Girt, without the medial -y- sound) was the whole of the name? The article notes "An earlier name for the dyke was simply "Finnigord" and Finnigirt dyke is thus tautologous as gord already means "dyke"", but that "earlier name" is in line with my idea that Funzie Girt is still the whole name. In any event, should we not drop the extra "dyke", as it's tautologous? Moonraker2 (talk) 18:50, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

It is tautologous from a certain perspective, but there are numerous examples of this kind of thing on Scottish Islands, which have been influenced by several different languages over the ages. "Eas Forsa waterfall" just means "Waterfall Waterfall waterfall" for example. Fetlar museum uses Finnigirt Dyke. Canmore just has "Funzie Girt", (although Funzie Girt Dyke under the Whilsa Pund entry) as does Schei - who is Norwegian - but Turner under the Historic Scotland imprint uses both Funzie Girt dyke and Funzie Girt Dyke. In short there seems to be no firm right or wrong - I was originally going to call it Funzie Girt as a more snappy title and don't mind at all if you want to move it. Ben MacDui 09:30, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

If you're happy, MacDui, I think Funzie Girt is better. I've looked at some recent sources, and most of them prefer it. Here are some instances... Moonraker (talk) 09:22, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Eric Linklater, James R. Nicolson, Orkney and Shetland (1980): "Its name, Funzie Girt — pronounced Finny Girt — means the Finns' dyke..."
• George Jobey, J. C. Chapman, H. C. Mytum, Settlement in North Britain, 1000 BC--AD 1000 (1983): "The only gorsty to appear in the Royal Commission's Shetland Inventory (RCAMS 1946: iii, 60-1 with plate 19, no. 1227) is the Funzie Girt, which runs right across the middle of Fetlar..."
• Noel Fojut, A Guide to Prehistoric and Viking Shetland (1994): "...the Funzie Girt, a great stone bank meandering across north and east Fetlar..."
• Anna Ritchie, Shetland (1997): "... the treb dyke known as the Funzie Girt in Fetlar..."
• Rob Humphreys, Donald Reid, The Rough Guide to Scottish Highlands & Islands (2004): "Of the archeological remains on Fetlar, perhaps the most remarkable is the Funzie Girt or Finnigirt..."
• Hamish Haswell-Smith, The Scottish Islands (2009) "Today, the one-metre wide wall, or what little is left of it, is still called Funzie Girt [fin-ee girt]..."

Curious

Is there any figure for how high the wall originally was? Was it topped with a palisade or the like? How would it compare with the Mexico – United States barrier in terms of security? And taking into account the rate of inflation since the Stone Age, would it be cheaper or more expensive per mile...? (Well, alright, maybe those last ones are hard to answer ;) ) Wnt (talk) 21:49, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Apologies - I didn't spot this question until today. The wall was originally about 3 feet thick, and it seems (from a photo of the ruins) to have been somewhere between 3 and 4 feet high. If it was ever topped with anything that's unknown. The whole project is something of a mystery. It would have taken a huge amount of effort - but for what purpose? It may well have been stock proof, but it wouldn't have stopped a human. Ben MacDui 18:21, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

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