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Potential Vice Presidential Candidacy

Rumors have started floating that he might be a top vp pick for the republican party, Mitt Romney in particular mentioning him. It may be worth mentioning in here at the moment, although we don't want to go overboard on this. Definitely something to possibly mention and keep an eye on though. Bradkoch2007 (talk) 22:52, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a crystal ball and doesn't print rumors or speculation. At this point in time, that's all Thompson as VP is. Mitt's comment is little more than paying lip service to a fallen competitor. Give it some time to develop before making any additions in the article. --Bobblehead (rants) 00:26, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

His endorsement of remaining Candidates for Republican PARTY Presidential nomination (2008)

Fred Thompson political staffers (Elizabeth Cheney in particular) were mentioned on FOX NEWS SUNDAY (broadcast today) as announcing that he endorsed Mitt Romney - - this is prior to Tuesday's voting in Florida - - Bill Kristol was announcing this as part of his POWER PANEL comments at conclusion of the show. Sorry I haven't yet located the news web corroboration. Hope this is appearing somewhere we can all see what are the specifics and what Romney had to offer the Republican voters in upcoming tight races in South and nationwide. Timothy Shaw Timothyjshaw (talk) 20:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)Timothyjshaw

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DumZiBoT (talk) 09:35, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Name

There was previously extensive discussion about how this article should begin, and the consensus was: "Fred Dalton Thompson (born Freddie Dalton Thompson[3][2] on August 19, 1942)." See here. I'm not aware that the consensus has changed.Ferrylodge (talk) 21:56, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Without any talk page discussion, an editor has changed the lead sentence again.[1] The edit summary says that "he's not usually known as 'Fred Dalton Thompson'". Actually, he is. There are 163,000 hits for "Fred Dalton Thompson", compared to 1,030 hits for "Freddie Dalton Thompson". That was only one of the many factors that was previously considered by numerous editors who considered the matter. See here.Ferrylodge (talk) 22:57, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Actually, there are 3,670,000 hits for "Fred Thompson". See [2]. The talk page is invalid. User:TableManners who had complained about this first was blocked as sockpuppet. See talk:Fred Thompson#"born Freddie Dalton Thompson" Dof (talk) 00:41, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
The user Table Manners was not part of reaching the consensus about this naming issue. The user Table Manners did subsequently object to the language "born Freddie Dalton Thompson" in this article, on the rather specious ground that Thompson was likely named shortly after he was born, rather than before birth or during birth. However, I would have no problem changing "born" to "initially" if that would make more people happy.Ferrylodge (talk) 00:47, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
While it is true that articles are named after their common names, unless there is a disambiguation problem, the biographies always lead off with their full name. Please see WP:MOSBIO#Names for more information. Should give priority to MOS than anonymous user. Dof (talk) 00:54, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure what anonymous user you're referring to. Have you seen this discussion among non-anonymous users?Ferrylodge (talk) 00:58, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Precisely. And Fred Dalton Thompson is his full name. Freddie is the name he was born with, but it's no longer his name (unless you have some evidence that it's still used for him). Therefore the consensus version is correct. I don't understand why you're bringing proofs against your own position. -- Zsero (talk) 01:00, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
As stated before, there are 3,940,000 hits for "Fred Thompson". See [3], and there are 161,000 hits for "Fred Dalton Thompson'". See [4]. "Fred Dalton Thompson" is his stage name. See [5]. "Freddie Dalton Thompson" is his real name. See [6]. Dof (talk) 01:17, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't know what you think those google hits prove. They're all for "Fred"; thus they bolster the claim that his first name is now "Fred" and not "Freddie". As for the middle name, most google hits for anyone are not going to include their middle names. -- Zsero (talk) 01:30, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


I don't think we're necessarily implying that his legal name is not "Freddie Dalton Thompson". For example, WP:MOSBIO#Names gives this example:

Boris Karloff (November 23, 1887 – February 2, 1969), born William Henry Pratt, was an actor best known for his roles in horror films. He was initially billed as "Karloff" and sometimes as "Karloff the Uncanny".

Did he ever file court papers to change his name to Boris Karloff? I think not.

Incidentally, there is no ironclad rule that we even have to follow MOS:BIO, if there is consensus to do otherwise. And Karloff is a perfect example of that.[7]Ferrylodge (talk) 01:24, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

There's no need to file court papers to change ones name. Ones name is simply how one is known; if that changes, then it changes. Thompson used to be "Freddie" a long time ago, but there is no indication that he or anyone else has used that name of him in decades; therefore it is no longer his name. It doesn't matter in the least whether anyone ever filed any papers about it. -- Zsero (talk) 01:30, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
"Boris Karloff" seem to be a film actor, not politician. His birth name is William Henry Pratt. Therefore, it does not apply to this case. Dof (talk) 01:40, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Thompson is an actor, no?Ferrylodge (talk) 01:41, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
former Senator, actor, attorney, lobbyist, public speaker, radio personality. Thompson recently has founded a new political action committee "Fred PAC" to raise money for conservative candidates. See [8] Dof (talk) 01:52, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

(undent)Dof, MOS:BIO doesn't say that the Karloff format is only for actors, and anyway Fred Thompson is an actor (among other things). There's been very strong sentitment here at this talk page that the first word of this article ought not to be "Freddie". Almost nobody calls him that, I doubt that it's still his legal name, and (even if it is technically his legal name) there's no reason why we cannot treat him as MOS:BIO treats Karloff. Anyway, just for the record, I would have no objection to slightly modifying the present language to this: "Fred Dalton Thompson (rarely known by birth name Freddie Dalton Thompson[1]) was born on August 19, 1942...."Ferrylodge (talk) 02:00, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

As stated before, his real name is Freddie Dalton Thompson Jr., though sometimes called "Fred Dalton Thompson”. His son is Freddie Dalton Thompson III. See [9]. "also known as" is considerably different from "sometimes called" Dof (talk) 02:13, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
What was Karloff's real name, Dof?Ferrylodge (talk) 02:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Dof, before we go any further it is up to you to prove that his name is still Freddie. Cite something indicating that he still uses it for any purpose, or that there still exist others who call him by that name. Without that it isn't his name any more. QED. -- Zsero (talk) 02:18, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

OK, thank you. I now understand your point of view. Still disagree, but at least I now see your thought process. Should provide the source that his real name is "Fred Dalton Thompson". Cite something indicating that he still uses it for any purpose. Without that it isn't his name any more. Dof (talk) 02:21, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
OK, now you're just being silly. He uses it all the time, and others use it of him all the time. You just pointed at the google hits. Or look at the newspaper article you cited above, to show that he was born Freddie. -- Zsero (talk) 02:35, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
"Thompson stopped using the name Freddie in his professional dealings and became Fred."[10]Ferrylodge (talk) 02:38, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Exactly. There's nothing about him dropping the "Dalton". -- Zsero (talk) 02:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Ferrylodge used wrong source. Fred Thompson article uses almost page to his political career, not film career. This section is essentially meaningless here. If he weren't politician, he wouldn't be notable. This two user are too ignorant. Even if he stop using Freddie, his name is Freddie Dalton "Fred" Thompson Jr. Dof (talk) 02:51, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
If he stopped using it, and so did everyone else, then how is it his name? -- Zsero (talk) 03:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Is the Karloff format only for actors, or only for actors in horror movies? I don't see that MOS:BIO says it is only for actors.Ferrylodge (talk) 03:01, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
As stated before, the biographies always lead off with their full name. See Phil Roe. "Boris Karloff" is considerably different from his birth name "William Henry Pratt". Therefore, it does not apply to this case. Dof (talk) 03:08, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

[out]Well, well. I was wondering whether and when this one would rear its head again. Actually the correct syntax for the lead sentence, according to Wikipedia style as clearly expressed in WP:MOSBIO, would be Freddie Dalton "Fred" Thompson, exactly like Johnny Reid "John" Edwards and numerous other examples. But back when it looked like ole' Freddie had a shot at the nomination, some editors objected to this completely neutral and accurate rendition of the name because they thought it made him look "silly". Well, these guys (the candidates I mean) make themselves look silly all on their own, - they don't need our help one way or the other. So this article has stood with the first line being off standard for a long time. First line is not supposed to reflect current name, legal or otherwise - it is supposed to reflect the full name of the person, even if not currenty used. Laura Lane Welch Bush. William Blaine "Bill" Richardson, III. I still believe we should be following WP:MOSBIO which couldn't be clearer, and that would be to be the same as Edwards, because the situation is exactly the same as Edwards'. Born Freddie Dalton Thompson/Johnny Reid Edwards, dropped the Southern familiar names in favor the more serious-sounding names when they came of age. We should call the article Fred Thompson of course, but the first line ought to follow Wikipedia style, not editors' sensibilities. I do agree that discussion is preferable to just changing it, but whoever changed it may not know about the history, despite its being summarized in a front-page article in the Washington Post a year ago. He's out of it now. Must we continue to protect him from appearing silly? Hello, Zsero, long time no see. Tvoz/talk 03:24, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Huh? Yes, it should be his full name, but his current full name, not a name he had 50 years ago. If he's still using it then it's still his name, but I haven't yet seen anything to suggest that he is. -- Zsero (talk) 03:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
However, Dof, if I recall correctly - and I really don't feel like looking too much further into this right now again - it's not "Jr." That's his son, Freddie Dalton Thompson Jr. and the grandson is Freddie Dalton Thompson III. All of which just proves the point, but last year logic and encyclopedia style was trumped by the political positions of some editors. Tvoz/talk 03:32, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
See Peter Lorre, John Denver, Pope John Paul I, Willy Brandt, David Ben-Gurion, and also Boris Karloff which is an example provided by MOS:BIO. If the concern here is to not give the impression that Thompson has actually changed his legal name, I would have no objection to tweaking: "Fred Dalton Thompson (rarely known by birth name Freddie Dalton Thompson[1]) was born on August 19, 1942...." Is that your main concern, Tvoz?Ferrylodge (talk) 03:27, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
My main concern is consistency and encyclopedia style. (It is also true that we do not know if he ever legally changed his name.) I don't think that showing the name in its entirety suggests that he is known as that name. Not for Edwards, not for Thompson. You know as well as I do that Thompson's name construction is identical to Edwards' - not the Popes, not Boris Karloff, not Peter Lorre - all of whom completely transformed their names. Edwards and Thompson, as I have said before, are two Southern boys who were given the diminutive form of the name as their birth name, they grow up and go for something a bit more serious-sounding. It is not a big deal - it never was a big deal - and I don't know why such a big deal has been made of this example. All of the examples you gave are quite different from Edwards and Thompson - you can see that. Why insist on following a structure that is far from this one rather than the one at hand - and in MOSBIO - that speaks directly to him? Tvoz/talk 03:52, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey, see Cary Grant, James Stewart, Gary Cooper, Bill Clinton, Al Gore. -- Dof (talk) 03:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Look, I have no idea what Fred Thompson's full "legal" name is. But if you people are concerned that the current style of this article implies that his legal name is "Fred Dalton Thompson" then that problem can be easily fixed as I've suggested: "Fred Dalton Thompson (rarely known by birth name Freddie Dalton Thompson[1]) was born on August 19, 1942...." Is that your primary concern? Or is your primary concern that we should mindlessly conform to one cookie-cutter formula or another?Ferrylodge (talk) 03:43, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
What indication is there that Fred Dalton Thompson is not his full legal name? If he hasn't used "Freddie" in 50 years, then how is it part of his name, legal or otherwise? -- Zsero (talk) 03:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Try answering the question I raised, ok? How is Thompson different from Edwards in name structure? And how is his name structure the same in any way as Peter Lorre? I have no more idea than you do if his name was legally changed, and I recommend that we not try to answer that question if we don't know. What we do know is what his birth certificate says, and what his son and grandson are named, and that the style of the encyclopedia would call for us to just list it that way in the bold first line. Why is this so offensive to "you people"? Tvoz/talk 03:52, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
What do you mean by "legally changed"? Are you under the impression that some sort of formal ceremony is needed to change someone's legal name? -- Zsero (talk) 03:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Should provide reliable source that Thompson has actually replaced his legal name with "Fred Dalton Thompson", not "Fred Thompson". Dof (talk) 03:55, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
The middle name is used all over the place. "Freddie" isn't. -- Zsero (talk) 03:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
He confirmed that his own proper name is "Freddie Dalton Thompson Jr." on September 7, 2007. See [11]. Dof (talk) 04:02, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
"He" in that sentence is Tony, not Fred. -- Zsero (talk) 04:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

(undent)First of all, Dof, if you think his legal name is "Fred Thompson" then you should want to start the first sentence of the article with "Fred Thompson" instead of "Freddie Dalton 'Fred' Thompson". But I think you're about the only one who thinks that his legal name is "Fred Thompson".

Tvoz, I think that the Fred Thompson naming situation is covered by two different examples in MOS:BIO, namely the Boris Karloff example and the John Edwards example. As between Edwards and Thompson, Thompson is more similar to the Karloff situation, since Karloff is an actor. However, at the same time, the Thompson name structure is more similar to that of Edwards than it is to Karloff. So, MOS:BIO provides no perfectly obvious solution. Which is fine! MOS_BIO was not intended to be followed mindlessly, and I've given plenty examples above where your preferred approach is not followed (Peter Lorre, John Denver, Pope John Paul I, Willy Brandt, David Ben-Gurion, and also Boris Karloff).

Also, please take a close look at MOS:BIO. It does not simply lay down a bunch of mindless rules and require unwavering consistency. It gives reasons for preferring one format over another. In the case of Edwards, it is mentioned that the concern is not to give a false impression that the subject has legally changed his name. Frankly, this is somewhat puzzling, given that Karloff did not legally change his name, but in any event let's suppose that MOS:BIO did not mention Karloff, and only mentioned Edwards. The reason given by MOS:BIO can be easily addressed now by adopting the compromise that I've suggested: "Fred Dalton Thompson (rarely known by birth name Freddie Dalton Thompson[1]) was born on August 19, 1942...."

That way, I don't have to tell my grandchildren that Tvoz prevailed in our WaPo dispute, and you don't have to tell your grandchildren that Ferrylodge prevailed in the WaPo dispute. Plus we're not suggesting what Thompson's "legal" name is, or starting this article with a name that Thompson has not used professionally in a half century. What do you say? Please?Ferrylodge (talk) 04:06, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Ha - I'll give you one, that you've kept a sense of humor on this. You should know by now that I don't mindlessly or unwaveringly follow any rules ever, so don't lay that on me. The fact that he's an actor and therefore his situation is like Karloff is, frankly, a ridiculous argument. His being an actor has, like ZERO to do with his name. Come on, Ferrylodge, you can do better than that. He started using "Fred" way , way before he became an actor as you very well know. He was a lawyer - like Edwards - and he wanted to have a mature-sounding name. His situation is identical to Edwards and nothing like the Popes, or Karloff, or even Ben-Gurion. He didn't change his full name, he didn't change his last name, he didn't get elected into a high office that required his taking on a pseudonym. Fred isn't a pseudonym any more than John is for Edwards - it's the equivalent of a nickname - as in Jimmy Carter - but in this ole' boy way it's backwards. Since we do't know what the legal status of his name is - and frankly who cares? - we should just list the whole damn name and be done with it. Your solution is wordy and unnecessary for the bold part - and we explain in the text of Early life or thereabouts that he shortened his name, which explains the bold full rendition. You are bending into a pretzel to make your point. I think I'll go edit Fred Thompson the rower. Tvoz/talk 04:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
That is completely ridiculous, Tvoz. My suggestion was this: "Fred Dalton Thompson (rarely known by birth name Freddie Dalton Thompson[1]) was born on August 19, 1942...." You apparently acknowledge that this would address the concern expressed by yourself and by MOS:BIO except for one little piddling thing: it increases the number of words by a grand total of four!!! Okay, fine, you want fewer words, then here: "Fred Dalton Thompson (originally and rarely Freddie Dalton Thompson[1]) was born on August 19, 1942. He is an American politician, actor, attorney, and lobbyist." There. That's an increase of only two words. Two words! And it takes care of all your concerns, all of my concerns, and all the concerns of MOS:BIO. That's not worth two words?Ferrylodge (talk) 04:38, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Oh. So you don't think we should be following Karloff because Thompson is also an actor as you said? Good. Tvoz/talk 06:45, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
As stated before, you should provide reliable source that Thompson has actually replaced his legal name with "Fred Dalton Thompson", not "Fred Thompson". Please? Dof (talk) 04:10, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
If you think his legal name is "Fred Thompson", Dof, then why don't you want to start out the article with "Fred Thompson" instead of "Freddie Dalton 'Fred' Thompson"?Ferrylodge (talk) 04:13, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I provided RS, but two users argue with unsourced, unnecessary POV. Dof (talk) 04:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
If you think his legal name is "Fred Thompson", Dof, then why don't you want to start out the article with "Fred Thompson" instead of "Freddie Dalton 'Fred' Thompson"?Ferrylodge (talk) 04:16, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand this concern "not to give a false impression that the subject has legally changed his name". As opposed to what, illegally changing his name? Either the name has changed, i.e. both he and everyone else has stopped using it, or it has not. If it has, then his name, for all purposes legal or otherwise, is whatever he's using now. -- Zsero (talk) 04:18, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Zsero, I don't know what the law is in Tennessee regarding name-changes, or the law in Virginia. You may be entirely correct that long-use automatically suffices to make a name "legal". But maybe not. Even if "Freddie" is technically his legal name, there are lots of Wikipedia precedents for not starting out the first sentence of the article with it.Ferrylodge (talk) 04:27, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
It's not about whether he uses it or not - the bold rendition of the name, in Wikipedia style, is the full name. If the person uses a different name from the full name, and if it's not self-evident, you give an explanation - in this case, "he shortened his name from Freddie to Fred" suffices. And let's please not start the OR into the laws of various states - been there, done that vis-a-vis McCain's adultery. Tvoz/talk 04:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
It's not a matter of this state's law or that one. A person's name is whatever he is universally known as. AFAIK there is no other definition of a name, at least in common law jurisdictions. So if he doesn't ever use Freddie any more, and nor do people who regularly address him, then it's no longer part of his full name. -- Zsero (talk) 04:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Anyway, Zsero, we share a concern that the first sentence of this article should not start out with a name that Thompson has not used professionally in a half century. I am surprised --- no, astonished --- that Tvoz cannot figure out a way to address our concern, while still achieving whatever it is she wants to achieve.Ferrylodge (talk) 04:51, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Calm yourself, Ferrylodge. Even in the height of our disagreement on this last year I didn't edit war over it. You remember - I changed it twice, you changed it - what was it, seven times one day? So I'm not going to edit war now either. I bolded it, as we always had it, and I'll leave you to your incorrectly formed first line for now since it is so painful for you to follow the admittedly sometimes odd conventions of Wikipedia first lines. The first sentence of this article and all articles has nothing to do with how he calls himself - Laura Bush doesn't call herself Laura Lane Welch Bush, and in fact probably never used that name, professionally or personally, not just not in half a century. Nor did Jacqueline Kennedy ever call herself Jacqueline Lee Bouvier Kennedy Onassis Do you get it yet? You are setting up your own standard that has little to do with Wikipedia conventions. Why? You have no answer. You don't seem to understand the purpose of the bolded name in the first line. The editors at Edwards, and Richardson, and all of the others that I've repeatedly brought to your attention don't feel the horror you seem to feel at having the first line of the article consistent with the style of the encyclopedia, using a name that the subject does not use in self-description. You might want to consider that. I haven't changed this line nor do I plan to (except for the bolding) - but when new editors come along and see that it doesn't follow usual style, and they change it, I'll be damned if I'm not going to comment here that they are right and you are wrong. But so be it. You haven't won - you just care more than I do about this nonsense and always did. Tvoz/talk 06:45, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Fine. You apparently have no willingness to seek any sort of compromise solution. We'll continue to argue about it every few months, and we'll see who lives longer.  :-) Funny you didn't notice that Mrs. Bush does go by Laura, and Mrs. Kennedy did go by Jacqueline, whereas Mr. Thompson goes by "Freddie" rarely (if at all). Therefore, Freddie should not be the first word of the first sentence of this article. See Peter Lorre, John Denver, Pope John Paul I, Willy Brandt, David Ben-Gurion, and also Boris Karloff. I do not understand why you insist on it, other than mindless rigid conformity to what you incorrectly perceive to be unambiguous and mandatory rules.Ferrylodge (talk) 15:08, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Why do you have to be insulting? I don't insist on anything in this matter and I am not the one who raised this issue. I merely came in to point out the style inconsistency that you insist upon. What the person calls him or herself - actually, how he or she is most commonly known - is what drives the article title, not the first line of the article. The first word of the article has no more weight than any other, and your fetish about it is a bit bizarre. By the way - most people have no idea who Paul David Hewson is - yet those are the first words of the article named Bono - and there are dozens of others like that. So I don't know what your problem is. Tvoz/talk 23:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

(undent)Dof, the idea that "Fred Dalton Thompson" is not a common name is incorrect. See here, for example.Ferrylodge (talk) 05:08, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Dof, would you please visit this link, instead of revert-warring? Thanks so much. Also see this.Ferrylodge (talk) 05:18, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Junior

The article says that his father was "Fletcher Session Thompson". How could Fred Thompson be a "Jr."? Would Xbvca please explain?[12]Ferrylodge (talk) 16:43, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

his grandfather or great-grandfather. Xbvca (talk) 16:54, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Why do you think so? Do you have any reliable source?Ferrylodge (talk) 16:57, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
According to a reliable source, the subject's son is a "Jr.": "The candidate’s son confirmed the report in an interview and that his own proper name is Freddie Dalton Thompson Jr...."[13]Ferrylodge (talk) 17:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I find it odd that suddenly we have a flood of editors pushing the same clearly false edit. Can they really all have simultaneously misconstrued the purported source in exactly the same way? -- Zsero (talk) 17:25, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
It is odd.Ferrylodge (talk) 17:28, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Just in case anyone is confused, here are the facts, as detailed in the source everyone keeps citing: Fred was (or is) Freddie; Tony is Freddie Jr.; Dalton is Freddie III. This is unrelated to the question of whether Fred is still Freddie now; whether he is or isn't, he is not and has never been Jr. -- Zsero (talk) 17:43, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

That is correct. Jr is the son, III is the grandson - I said this above as well. Tvoz/talk 23:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

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External links modified

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I have just modified one external link on Fred Thompson. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

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Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 07:20, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

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