Talk:France in the Middle Ages

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Demographics[edit]

France did not experience a swift recovery from the Black death. Quite the opposite: as the site of the fighting in the Hundred Years' War the country was slower than most to recover. Durova 15:30, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Switched sections[edit]

I moved the history section above that containing geography, demographics and language. History is what the article is about, and also I think it's hard to make sense of the geography section in particular, without knowledge of the history of that period. Equendil Talk 20:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted your change for the simple reason that all of the History of France subpages have these same sections and this same order. This being said, if the general consensus of the History of France major contributers/editors is for change, then we can go ahead with it... but this should be discussed at length first. I personally see the value of these sections being first, for they "set the stage" for the historical overview that follows, but others may disagree. --NYArtsnWords 20:33, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, do you know where that discussion could take place ? On the History of France talk page or is there a portal of some sort that is active ? Equendil Talk 20:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say the History of France talk page would be fine, although you could also just put a quick note on the talk pages of Early Modern France, France in the nineteenth century and France in the twentieth century sending people to one page (say, here) for the discussion. CheersNYArtsnWords 21:49, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I brought it up on Talk:History of France. Equendil Talk 20:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Awkward title[edit]

Why is the article located at the bulky "France in the Middle Ages" when the title still seems to de facto be "Medieval France"? The latter seems so much more intuitive and compact and parallels Early Modern France quite nicely.

Peter ^Isotalo 21:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The title was chosen to mirror all the other Medieval pages: Britain in the Middle Ages, Germany in the Middle Ages, etc. There is also a redirect from Medieval France to this page, for those who search for it by that route. -- NYArtsnWords 23:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't really explain anything. Why are those titles not at "Medieval Britain", "Medieval Germany", "Medieval Spain", etc? They all have a lead that use that title and still they use the long and bulky version.

Peter ^Isotalo 06:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The "Middle Ages" is the actual time period. "Medieval" means "of, or pertaining to, the Middle Ages". Therefore, it would seem more correct to use the noun rather than the adjective. Perhaps semantic but I would say that is the reason. Shadow007 08:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I need to correct what I said earlier: judging from the edit histories, it seems that the article France in the Middle Ages was created long before Britain in the Middle Ages. Furthermore, there is currently no subpage called Germany in the Middle Ages; there is only a History of German article with a redirect. That puts the choice of title apparently in our camp. I do however agree with Shadow007's parsing of the difference between the two. "In the Middle Ages" also avoids the rather pointless problem of edit wars re: Medieval vs. Mediaeval vs,. Mediæval (see the Britain page). -- NYArtsnWords 14:18, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Medieval XXX" is short, to the point, correct and very unambiguous. I don't see why one should just a long-winded and awkward title instead.

I believe this settles the issue of whether "mediaeval/mediæval" is even worth bringing up as an argument. Not even the British seem to care much about this one. It's about as relevant as fretting about someone insisting on "onomatopœia".

Peter ^Isotalo 13:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Given that there is a WikiProject on the subject of the Middle Ages (I had not realized previously that there was one) this is probably a subject to bring up on that discussion page. I don't see that anything can be definitively resolved here. Shadow007 01:07, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

infobox[edit]

I suggest we should remove the "former country" infobox from this article, and move it to the articles on the successive entities

Carolingian Empire (751–843)
Western Francia (843-987)
Direct Capetians (987–1328)
Valois (direct) (1328–1498)

"Medieval France" isn't a "state" it is a historical period in a specific region, much like Medieval Britain. dab (𒁳) 12:39, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of the Bourbon Kingdom[edit]

The French article about the flag of France (fr:Drapeau de la France) says explicitely that the de facto national flag of the Kingdom of France was a simple white flag - the lily banner was only used in presence of members of the royal family except the King: When he was present, the white flag had been hoised. To cut a long story short: Please do not insert the lily banner (Pavillon royale de France.svg) anymore, it's the wrong flag here. Louis88 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.169.30.46 (talk) 20:40, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion[edit]

I am currently doing a section on Saint-Louis, I'll expand it and diversify sources as I progress. I'm not sure about my spelling though so feel free to correct me. I'll add more sections later more precisely on Philip II and IV as well as on the earlier capetians. I may also add stuffs on the Angevin Empire (largely wrote that article) and the Albigensian Crusade but... much later. Matthieu (talk) 16:24, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cities[edit]

All cities have a bishop or else they would be a town. 2601:B:4280:15C:74EB:4DDE:BCB9:3209 (talk) 21:55, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish-Xian Relations[edit]

Hello, I would like to edit this document and add a section involving Jewish and Christian relations in the Middle Ages in France. This is an assignment for my Jewish History class and it is due 5/12. I know this is extremely late notice, but to compensate, I will be readily available to listen to any concerns and incorporate any changes this group feels necessary. If you have any questions or find issue with my contribution please leave me a comment on either this talk page or my individual talk page.

AllieCamp11 (talk) 07:37, 12 May 2016 (UTC) AllieCamp11[reply]

Succeeded by...[edit]

Catalan and Aragonese counties are missing.--Hinox (talk) 14:09, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish-Christian Relations in France[edit]

The section #Jewish-Christian Relations in France seems really off. It seems to be simplistic, a whitewash, and shows basic misunderstanding of terms and what went on. Case in point:

Small communities however, incorporated these prejudiced ideas into their beliefs, which led to some instances of Blood Libels which took many Jewish lives.

The reference Hallo-1984 seems fine to me, but the way this section is written up, I'd be inclined to remove it and start over. The article Medieval antisemitism covers a broader scope, but there are sections about the Crusades, and the expulsions, that mention France, and give a clearer picture than this does. Mathglot (talk) 04:14, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]