Talk:Fermanagh County Council

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Did you know... that in 1921, before the partition of Ireland, Fermanagh County Council did not recognise the government of Northern Ireland and pledged allegiance to the Dáil Éireann?

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The result was: promoted by Vincent60030 (talk) 09:35, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Arms of Fermanagh County Council

... that Fermanagh County Council (coat of arms pictured) said they did not recognise the government of Northern Ireland and pledged allegiance to the unrecognised Dáil, which led to the police evicting them from their offices? Source: National Library of Australia

Reviewed: Rohani Darus Danil

5x expanded by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 09:29, 21 July 2020 (UTC).[reply]

The article has been expanded 5 times on the nomination date, and there are no obvious copyvios. However, I am not happy with the hook, which seems to be another attempt to push pro-Unionist politics onto the main page. Specifically, the hook does not say when the council did not recognise the NI government, and might give the impression they were forced out of the building at gunpoint by the Royal Ulster Constabulary, reinforcing the pro-Loyalist view. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:55, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That is not the case at all. It's because it is on the maximum hook length that I didn't include the date, I can change it around if you'd like. Also by the way, it wasn't the Royal Ulster Constabulary, it was the Royal Irish Constabulary. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:14, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still not happy with the hook. Could we have something about the coat of arms, instead? That would be more suitable for the main page. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:15, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can I ask what is factually wrong with it? The only reason I chose that was because I thought it was the most interesting thing in the article. If you want me to drop the police claim in favour of date and context, I'm open to that. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:21, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you're understanding what I'm getting at. Essentially, you have a reputation now for pushing a particular POV on NI politics (whether real or just imagined, that's what people think), and therefore I would much rather see a hook about the coat of arms. It's more interesting to me, and won't involve the same sort of kerfuffle that has happened in previous threads on WT:DYK. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) —Preceding undated comment added 12:24, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I respect your opinions on that but I am trying to stick to the facts on this hook. If it is factually wrong, please tell me. If you personally want me to drop the police claim to allay any perceived bias concerns, then I am happy to do so. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:29, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think the best thing to do is get a third opinion on this, then see which way consensus lines. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:33, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@The C of E: could you please attempt a draft of an alt hook? --evrik ^(talk) 04:26, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 ... that before the partition of Ireland, in 1921 Fermanagh County Council (coat of arms pictured) said they did not recognise the government of Northern Ireland and pledged allegiance to the unrecognised Dáil Éireann? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 05:39, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the Dáil Éireann described as "unrecognised"? The council certainly recognised them. Something neutral is needed here and in the article. In addition, there is no mention in the article that the vote occurred several days after the treaty had been signed that would create the Irish Republic (though it had not yet been ratified); omitting this makes it seem like the council was operating in a vacuum. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:51, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Seems a little nitpicky to me personally but, I have amended it for: ALT2 ... that before the partition of Ireland, in 1921 Fermanagh County Council (coat of arms pictured) said they did not recognise the government of Northern Ireland and pledged allegiance to the unrecognised Irish Republic? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:28, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough, and the image is appropriately referenced. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. I prefer ALT1 over ALT2; the council used the name Dáil Éireann and so can we. A QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:12, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]