Talk:February 2023 North American storm complex

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Derecho[edit]

Despite initial forecasts, this really doesn’t qualify as a derecho. A derecho is more of one large bow echo or bowing segments extending hundreds of miles and producing consistent damaged most or all of the way, like an MCS. This system was more like a QLCS, with several distinct lines and line breaks with embedded circulations and supercells. Name it what you will, but this isn’t a by-the-book derecho. United States Man (talk) 15:41, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed the name of the article to reflect this. After what I went through last night, I can safely say that was a tornado outbreak and not a derecho. ChessEric (talk · contribs) 19:54, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have made two changes, moving the draft to the mainspace as it's more than notable enough at this point, and changing its name to the February 2023 Southern Plains derecho. SPC forecaster Andrew Lyons confirmed on Twitter that they are classifying it as a serial derecho. We do not yet meet the threshold of a tornado outbreak. I chose Southern Plains because there is variance in reliable sources in what states were involved (most are just calling it the Oklahoma derecho even though it began in Texas, and some include Kansas). There is prior precedent for broadly using the region (May 2022 Midwest derecho, December 2021 Midwest derecho and tornado outbreak). When the number of tornadoes increase, we'll tack on the tornado outbreak wording. wxtrackercody (talk · contributions) 20:55, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I have my own gripes with SPC in general. If this is a derecho, then so is every QLCS that hits the southeast. United States Man (talk) 00:48, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the name won't work out because you can't ignore the activity in the Midwest today from the same system. United States Man (talk) 00:52, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. ChessEric (talk · contribs) 00:57, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As someone who was in the moderate risk for that day we only got 60+ mph wind gusts and it didn’t really damage anything. also I have concluded that the 114 mph wind gust was likely from a tornado. F5tornadochaser (talk) 18:59, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing[edit]

All I'm saying is that the individual refs for the outlooks annoys me because if someone is looking to compare how the outlooks changed each day before the outbreak, they can't do that if each ref doesn't have links that can lead them to the next outlook (i.e. they can't see the difference between the Day 2 outlooks for February 26, because the ref doesn't provide a way to do so). However, I see your line of reasoning, especially with the MCDs, and will not challenge it because arguing over small details like this is something that the project should avoid. All I ask for is that the event review ref be somewhere in the met synop section so that the option I gave above is available. ChessEric (talk · contribs) 15:31, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How to approach the name[edit]

I merged the contents of February 2023 North American winter storm into this article because of reliable media that combines prolonged Western impacts with the Midwest winter storm and Southeast heat (the prolonged Western system then ejected eastward and caused the derecho). The WPC combined Western and Midwestern impacts as well. These systems have been separate areas of low pressure, but they have all originated from the same broader longwave trough across the West U.S. Given the reach and prolonged impact of these storms, I'm not sure it's possible to differentiate impacts (particularly out West), meaning I don't think we have any choice but to present the entirety of this information in one article even if we wanted to. If someone disagrees, I'm open to discussion, but... wxtrackercody (talk · contributions) 17:54, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We can always remedy this headache by referring to it as a "series of systems" or something similar. Akin to tornado outbreak sequence articles instead of making articles for each individual outbreak. wxtrackercody (talk · contributions) 18:03, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Editing[edit]

This article is good but I felt that there should have been more information and detail which is why I edited this. If you have any questions or concerns about this please talk to me. F5tornadochaser (talk) 19:13, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]