Talk:European Council for Fatwa and Research

"European" credentials?

Has there ever been any explanation offered as to why there are so many non-Europeans on this "European" council??? The name of this organization seems to proclaim itself to have some vague affiliation with the idea of European Muslims producing a European-adapted form of Islam for themselves, but the membership of the organization seems to be highly antithetical to its achieving any such goal. -- 18:52, 20 July 2005 User:AnonMoos

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I LOL'ed when I saw that this "European" Council is headed by that Egyptian jailbird Qaradawi. -- 11:42, 4 December 2005 154.5.18.86

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For one simple reason, you do not allow them to grow rich as we do in the states, so they can't make their own schools and create such things. The longer you keep them down, the harder it will be for them to develop anything independent, because they themselves are not independent. -- 05:09, 28 February 2006 141.211.222.50

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Dear AnonMoos: First of all Islam is not bound by race, color or geographic boundary. In Islamic belief system all its followers are part of one big family. Therefore it does not matter where our clerics are from. Second your view of "European-adapted form of Islam" is outright against the teachings of this religion. As stated in the article itself Islam does not mend with our wishes, its a divine belief system and as Muslims (and humans) we don't have the right to change what is divine. We mend to it, its called SUBMISSION. So you can't have an EU form of Islam and a US form of Islam or Asian form of Islam... you just have Islam. Interpretations may be different at times with different schools but the basic ideology is always the same.

As for our LOL'ed Commentator from the US... I think you should stop thinking like the southern slavery addicted plantation owners of the last century. US has moved far now... As millions of Muslims you are also an immigrant in the US START ACTING LIKE ONE!. Your next president's middle name (Only) is the Prophet Mohammad's (God's Peace and blessings be Upon him)Grandson's name "Hussein" and who knows whats next. As Qardavi's book is titled : Islam : the Future Civilization, I am sure you cannot oppress us any longer. We are free and will catchup soon to what we lost during the last four centuries. If you think we will remain enslaved well i am sorry to tell you that you and those like you will be disappointed. 1ofBillions (talk) 13:53, 12 October 2008 (UTC) 1ofBillions

That's nice -- however, one of the conspicuous issues creating problems for Muslims in Europe over the past 10 years or so has been "parachute" Imams, who "parachute" into European countries from outside Europe without understanding European societies (often without even speaking a European language), and who give advice to their parishioners which is often in violation of the accepted cultural norms of European societies (sometimes in violation of the laws of European countries). I really don't see how a council headed by Qaradawi and including a majority of non-European residents will do anything to ameliorate this problem. AnonMoos (talk) 17:39, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

German Sheikh Siddique

Muhammed Siddique (see list No 25) ECFR Members http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Council_for_Fatwa_and_Research#Members_of_the_ECFR was born as Wolfgang Borgfeld http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Siddiq_Borgfeld Mr Borgfeld / Sheikh Siddiq(ue) was the founder of Muslim Youth Germany (Muslimische Jugend in Deutschland, MJD) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslimische_Jugend_in_Deutschland 79.251.82.131 (talk) 18:19, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

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Broken links, lack of secondary sources

Hello all,

There are a few broken links, e.g. [4] and [5]. It would really be good to have a reference for this:

According to its Mission Statement[4] the ECFR wants to assume a leading role in all dogmatic and accordingly also in all worldly issues in the worldwide Islamic community, the Ummah.[citation needed] Among others, it wants to address the younger Muslim generations living in outside Islamic countries, especially those in Europe and the United States.[citation needed] - Given the org's name, it seems quite surprising that they claim to have a worldwide scope.

It would also be good to have unbroken references for the string of quotes from controversial Qaradawi fatwas. It would be better still to include secondary opinions on the group's ideology rather than relying on direct quotes, which could be seen as being original research. There are for example Islamic scholars who affirm the supremacy of the Sharia in Muslim life, but then hold that following the Sharia in a secular democratic society implies first of all following the law of the land. In such cases, citing 'supremacy of the Sharia' statements without contextualization is thus not very helpful in understanding their stances, hence why it'd be great if someone can find adequate secondary sources. Thank you. 183.89.24.129 (talk) 09:34, 25 April 2017 (UTC)