Talk:Europa (consort of Zeus)

Greece Mid‑importance

	Greece portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Greece, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Greece on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.GreeceWikipedia:WikiProject GreeceTemplate:WikiProject GreeceGreek articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Women's History Low‑importance

	History portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women's History, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Women's history and related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women's HistoryWikipedia:WikiProject Women's HistoryTemplate:WikiProject Women's HistoryWomen's History articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Mythology Mid‑importance

	Mythology portal This article is supported by WikiProject Mythology. This project provides a central approach to Mythology-related subjects on Wikipedia. Please participate by editing the article, and help us assess and improve articles to good and 1.0 standards, or visit the WikiProject page for more details.MythologyWikipedia:WikiProject MythologyTemplate:WikiProject MythologyMythology articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Classical Greece and Rome Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome, a group of contributors interested in Wikipedia's articles on classics. If you would like to join the WikiProject or learn how to contribute, please see our project page. If you need assistance from a classicist, please see our talk page.Classical Greece and RomeWikipedia:WikiProject Classical Greece and RomeTemplate:WikiProject Classical Greece and RomeClassical Greece and Rome articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Phoenicia Mid‑importance

	Phoenicia portal This article is within the scope of the WikiProject Phoenicia, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Phoenicia. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks.PhoeniciaWikipedia:WikiProject PhoeniciaTemplate:WikiProject PhoeniciaPhoenicia articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Europa as the continent's name[edit]

The continent of Europe is called Europa in all Germanic languages except English, in Hungarian (Európa) and in all Slavic languages that use the Latin alphabet, as well as in Greek and Latin.

I do not get it. Europe is called Europa in English too, unless you count only exact spelling. If that is so, Europa is not used in all slavic languages using latin alphabet, because there is also different spelling used (Evropa). --Kyknos 15:55, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you'll edit the passage to render it sensible. --Wetman 18:26, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It should be changed to "latin languages" 'cause it's Europa in spanish, romanian, portuguese and italian, but the french as usual decided to complicate and use europE so "most of latin languages" it's ok. right?

In greek it isn't called Europa, but Evrope where the "E" is pronounced as in estimate and "ope" is pronounced as in Penelope.

I think it's silly to say which languages Europe is called Europa in those exact words. I've changed it to a comment about the etymology, because splitting hairs on Europe vs Europa is just a waste of time for what is really a minor tangent off topic. LupusCanis 23:09, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Secondly, zeus didn't just take her to crete and gave her gifts and was such a sweet man, he did raped her, "...Once on the shore of Crete, Zeus raped Europa under a cypress tree." (from another site about the girl). So it's sort of tragic thing and not heroic like the text tries to impose. I just don't know if he raped her as a bull or as a man, cause the site also states that "...Such an act of abduction, bestiality and sexual abuse is illegal in every civilised society in the world, and yet it is a symbol of the EU..."

This confuses myth, fiction, conventions of narrative realism, tragedy, pathos, ethics, gender issues and political correctness in a perfectly inextricable fashion. No one can help, i'm afraid... --Wetman 00:41, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pseudo-Apollodoros needs an article[edit]

In the reference list, Pseudo-Apollodoros is a red link. Our disambiguation page for Apollodoros has no page to point to that would define him. There is enough info sitting around in WP to sort this out. Given enough patience, a person could use catalog.loc.gov or www.perseus.tufts.edu to find out the best official way of referring to this person. He is certainly notable! EdJohnston 22:25, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The phantom which is given the name is simply the author of Bibliotheke ("the Library"), long misidentified with Apollodorus. This virtual author has no real-world identity apart from his creation, as with almost any author named "Pseudo something." But compare Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite, pseudonymous author of a shelf-load. --Wetman 00:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction[edit]

The article states that Homer does not mention Europa. Yet, it also asserts that she's mentioned in the Illiad as "the daughter of Agenor's son." Since the Illiad is traditionally attributed to Homer, isn't this self-contradictory? 24.69.166.95 20:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oop. Not the first error in Wikipedia, either. --Wetman 07:28, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So which is correct? Also, the depicted Argive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaeans) genealogy tree has Europa as the daughter of Agenor, and the sister of Phoenix. If the Iliad states she's the "daughter of Agenor's son," (does it really?) she should be placed accordingly. Mollynet (talk) 15:36, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Continent[edit]

Aren't the two names, for the girl and the continent, separate, i. e. two names that evolved into the same for different reasons? See the etymology in Europe —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexlykke (talk • contribs) 11:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image copyright problem with File:2004 Belgium 10 Euro Expansion European Union front.JPG[edit]

The image File:2004 Belgium 10 Euro Expansion European Union front.JPG is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check

That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
That this article is linked to from the image description page.

This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --02:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BCE switched to BC: Be aware[edit]

User:Varlaam, a "Senior Editor" who does in fact know better, changed all the BCE dates to BC last July, and falsified the record by switching the commented-out notice "this article has used the BCE/CE convention", which is intended to alert editors to this kind of thing,in order to cover his tracks. The article has used the convention BCE/CE since 16 December 2004. I would have posted a polite note at User talk:Varlaam, but I know the response I'd get. An IP without a logged-in account making the same moves would normally get a template vandalism notice. --Wetman (talk) 02:12, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I changed them back. SQGibbon (talk) 07:25, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This edit switched it again with the edit summary: "If you don't like relating dates to the Lordship of Christ, come up with your own calendar instead of bastardising ours!" I personally use BC/AD, but have switched back per MOS:ERA. ^davidiad _.: 22:47, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary comment[edit]

"The daughter of the earth-giant Tityas and mother of Euphemus by Poseidon was also named Europa."

I don't think this comment should be part of this article since this article is about the main Europa character in Greek mytholoy. I think it should be eliminated or added to a separate article.

ICE77 (talk) 05:11, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology[edit]

Here is text I found embedded in an HTML comment in the article and removed it for placement here where it seems more appropriate as an idea for future improvement when and if a source is found:

The following essay needs a source: The myth that the continent Europe is named after a princess (Euroopè) from Tyre with a wide (euro-) eyed (oopè) face is obvious popular etymology possibly dealing with a Semitic borrowing. The link with Tyre alerts one to the fact that the Greek word bears suspicious similarity with the Semitic root ERB (`ayn-raa'-baa') which has the meaning "westerner","alien" and "desert dweller" (being a cognate of the Semitic root GRB — ghayn-raa'-baa'). It is the root behind the word Arab (EaRaB) and — with metathesis — possibly also behind the word Hebrew (EiBR). The source for the name Europè may therefore have been a Semitic, possibly Phoenician word close to the pattern EuRuuB meaning "stranger" or "westerner". Supporting evidence comes from similar Greek folk etymologies, e.g., in the name Pontos Euxeinos ("hospitable sea") for "Black Sea" were the Greek Euxeinos replaced the Aryan (Persian or Scythian) word Akshinas "black".

I think this is just a variant on the alternative etymology already suggested. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 16:45, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology[edit]

The Etymology can be explained through the ancient term "TAUROPA"; Taur or Taurus which meant "bull" with ending (R)opa, which meant αίμα ("blood"). (k)αίμα (k)rpa or (K)RB or KRV in Indo European Satem language, which means "BLOOD". There was no "Arabic", "Akkadian"(despite of the FACT that even old Akkadian contained Sanskrit & Indo European Satem roots), "Hebrew" origin of Europa, which is of purest Indo European linguistic root. Other claims are occult nonsense without any historial background.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.210.250.12 (talk • contribs) 10:13, 24 February 2014‎

Is this your own speculation, or can you point us to a reliable source which says this? Paul August ☎ 11:40, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Unclear family tree[edit]

I'm not sure about the other connections, but on the tree it currently looks like Europa might be the mother of Zeus. Instead Zeus raped her. Also, it doesn't say what the dashed lines represent. Anna (talk) 00:29, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Europa (mythology). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20050228023614/http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~perlman/myth/images/euro.jpg to http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~perlman/myth/images/euro.jpg

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 22:33, 24 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction[edit]

It is clear that we are talking about the knowledge that the Greeks had about ethniticities, so it needn't be without contradictions, but Europa was the sister of Phoenix, the forefather of the Phoenicians in Greek mythology, thus Europa can't be of Phoenician origin if the line was yet to exist. It is a logical point of internal coherence, which ought to be highlighted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.54.64.85 (talk) 12:42, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There is no mention of Europa in Iliad[edit]

The article states that the first reference to Europa is in Iliad, but I consulted 2 different translations and did not find such a reference. Can someone confirm if this information is false or can I delete that part? Barbar02 (talk) 08:19, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Zeus, speaking to Hera, refers to Europa without actualy naming her.

οὐδ᾽ ὅτε Φοίνικος κούρης τηλεκλειτοῖο,

ἣ τέκε μοι Μίνων τε καὶ ἀντίθεον Ῥαδάμανθυν:

"nor of the daughter of far-famed Phoenix, that bare me Minos and godlike Rhadamanthys" (Iliad 14.321) [1] NebY (talk) 19:32, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion[edit]

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:

"Europa on the bull" - Paestum red-figure chalice krater, signed by Asteas.jpg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 16:36, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]