Talk:Envy (band)

Release dates

If someone could add release dates for their releases, I think it would be beneficial all around. I have tried looking other places online, but a lot of dates conflict from source to source. It would be nice to find someplace that has it all right. 71.32.188.84 03:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Ans: i think if you want the release dates for All the footprints and older releases, they are all on the H.G. Fact website, which can be easily translated from japanese. the older albums need articles too, best to complete them now before HG restructures their website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evan.morien (talk • contribs) 10:57, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Fan text

Could people please stop adding non encyclopedic text. The re-adding of the dodgy music journo style descriptions of Envy's sound simply are not neccesary. Adamshappy 23:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Why is the Screamo relation/mentioning erased?

Who thought "siding" this band with Metal is more accurate than siding it with Screamo? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.83.177.148 (talk) 02:07, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Large following outside of Japan

It's redundant to say this. They're signed for distribution in North America and Europe, so obviously they have enough of a following outside their native country to warrant this. Lots of bands have large followings outside their native country, but this is the only instance where I've seen that mentioned. It's just not necessary. Why is a band from Japan being singled out for this? It comes across as somehow condescending. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.245.194.254 (talk) 19:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Good point. Inhumer (talk) 20:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Genre of Music

Temporary Residence describes them as a hardcore band. Adding anything beyond that is unnecessary and based largely on opinion. If you'd like, I'll cite the reviews that call them a metal band (there are several). Let's just leave it at what their label actually describes them as. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.245.194.254 (talk) 20:02, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

First party sources such as the band or its labels are considered unreliable by wikipedia. Every source I've provided was written by a staff member on website deemed reliable. Please do not remove sources simply because YOU don't agree with them. Please post these reviews you have here on the talk page first, as I'm not sure you quite understand what is considered reliable here. Inhumer (talk) 20:28, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

The metal reference has been removed plenty of times. If I post a source for that and it gets deleted, this won't end. Either screamo AND metal stays up, or neither of them do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.245.194.254 (talk) 21:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

What is the source? Also, it doesn't work that way. Inhumer (talk) 21:35, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

The source is no different than the third-party reviews for the band that you've cited calling them screamo. By your own definition, if I post a third-party review calling them metal, it's no different than you posting a third-party review calling them screamo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.61.246.104 (talk) 23:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

If the source calling them metal is considered reliable by wikipedia standards, then there is no problem adding it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inhumer (talk • contribs) 00:17, June 22, 2011

I'm unsure about your source, but won't remove it until I get a second opinion. It looks like it was set up by the person to post his personal reviews. Thats considered a "self published source", and not considered reliable. Reliable sources are site some sort of editorial oversight and reviewers that are paid or other compensated. Just to be safe, do you have any other sources? Inhumer (talk) 01:18, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

So because someone is paid to write something, that somehow makes them more reliable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.61.246.104 (talk) 01:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

http://www.heathenharvest.com/article.php?story=20081116221828823 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.61.246.104 (talk) 01:25, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

http://www.metalinjection.net/tv/view/5774/envy-worn-heels-and-the-hands-we-hold-video — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.61.246.104 (talk) 01:31, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Its the editorial oversight that really matters. Inhumer (talk) 01:35, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Just use the metalijection source, because as far as I can see its still considered a reliable source. Though I think there was some doubt in the past. Inhumer (talk) 01:40, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I added it. Inhumer (talk) 01:50, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

They are cited in numerous places as a metal band and that needs to be reflected on this page. 74.61.246.104 (talk) 02:00, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

But only one of the sources is considered reliable by wikipedia. I really don't understand how you don't get that. Inhumer (talk) 02:13, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I think you're taking extreme liberty as to what you feel is reliable or not. If we can agree to leave screamo and metal on the side and not on the main page, I'll agree to leave well enough alone. We can both find more reviews to back up our opinions, so let's just call it even. I'll quit editing if you agree to do so. 74.61.246.104 (talk) 02:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Its not what I think is reliable, its what wikipedia thinks is reliable. As I said on your talk page, Lets add the metalinjection source for Post metal as its the one source we both agree on. Ok? Inhumer (talk) 02:54, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm fine with that, but I'd really like an explanation as to why the heathen harvest link isn't reliable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.61.246.104 (talk) 03:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Its a webzine, which is a Self-published sources. I don't make the policy, I'm a regular user just like you. --Inhumer (talk) 04:56, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

That was quite the epic battle. Glad we came to an agreement though. A tip of my hat to you Inhumer! 192.245.194.254 (talk) 16:37, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not an unreasonable person. I glad we could come to an agreement too. Inhumer (talk) 17:12, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

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