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Etymology[edit]

Whether all the information added in this edit is correct, I don't know. But the information in the present version is clearly incorrect. The American English name "eggplant" is not derived from the French "aubergine". The plant seems to have been introduced to England from France, and was called "eggplant" because white or yellow cultivars produce fruits resembling eggs. When purple-fruited cultivars were introduced, the French "aubergine" seemed to be more appropriate; see the source given in the article, although this is only a website and not the best kind of source. Some of the edit needs to be retained. Peter coxhead (talk) 18:03, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This definition deriving aubergine seems reasonable: "fruit of the eggplant" (Solanum esculentum), diminutive of auberge "a kind of peach," variant of alberge, from Spanish alberchigo "apricot". The "melongena" explanation from earlier today seemed unconvincing. I would trust your edited version, Peter. Suggest going ahead. --Zefr (talk) 18:16, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The Online Etymology Dictionary is being misread in the current text. It reads (in a more helpful layout): 'aubergine (n.) : "eggplant," 1794, from French aubergine, "fruit of the eggplant" ...' It's saying that the meaning of "aubergine" is "eggplant", and the word "aubergine" is derived from the French word aubergine, which is the fruit of the eggplant. It's not saying that the English word "eggplant" is derived from the French word aubergine. I'll correct this bit. Peter coxhead (talk) 19:09, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Interspecific Hybrids[edit]

Taking this link from a recent edit: http://eggplantprebreeding.upv.es/Interspecific_hybrids.html Seeing if any of this info can or should be incorporated. Bod (talk) 18:27, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence of the new hybrids being used? It was an unencylopedic entry, more work-in-progress than substance of actual implementation. Needs a review. --Zefr (talk) 18:34, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Salting and oil absorption[edit]

The BBC ref notwithstanding, there is no evidence for the idea that salting reduces the eggplant's ability to take up oil during cooking. It seems they've merely perpetuated an old wives' tale, which is now adopted into Wikipedia as "fact". Sorry, it's bunk. There are websites stating as much, including at least one I could find that did a side-by-side with salted and unsalted eggplant. 2607:FEA8:BFA0:47F:14AB:612E:A2B2:DE1D (talk) 06:03, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Copyedited in response, but you should try an edit with a better source which is needed for the paragraph. Salting may soften, but inhibiting the absorption of oil seems to be an illogical old kitchen tale. --Zefr (talk) 14:53, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology and regional names[edit]

In the From Arabic into Iberia and beyond subheading under Etymology and regional names, bringella and bringiela are given as Portuguese forms of the word, even stating "the Portuguese form bringella was borrowed into a variety of other languages." I can't find a source for this and don't believe these two words to be Portuguese, especially bringella as ll is not typically used in that language. beringela is also stated to be an earlier form even though beringela is a current form in Portuguese. Unless sources can be found, bringella and bringiela should be replaced by beringela and/or berinjela. 79.76.160.2 (talk) 17:33, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead and make the change. Peter coxhead (talk) 22:00, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I can't, the article is protected. 79.76.160.2 (talk) 10:34, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Marked it with Template:Dubious. --Error (talk) 03:54, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hello! I didn't notice this discussion back in 2019, but the source for these Portuguese forms is the Oxford English Dictionary under brinjal, n. (https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/23394). The etymology section there reads 'Etymology: Anglo-Indian adaptation of Portuguese bringella, bringiela, earlier beringela = Spanish berengena, al-berengena, < Arabic (al)-bāðinjān. The latter is < Persian bādin-gān, < Sanskrit vātin-gaṇa, all applied to the same fruit'. The OED is sometimes wrong, but it is an authoritative source, so I think we should accept its account unless someone finds a scholarly source to the contrary. I'll made this source clearer in the article and remove Template:Dubious. Alarichall (talk) 14:29, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2019[edit]

aubvergine 212.139.51.149 (talk) 09:27, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NiciVampireHeart 11:38, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2020[edit]

include Malaysia, Singapore, India, Pakistan and Bangladesh instead of just South Asia.

Brinjal in Malaysia traced its root from Arabic via Portuguese Beringela Editeous (talk) 06:17, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBriTalk 14:14, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2020[edit]

The image with the caption "Protesters in Bangalore promote the diversity of non-genetically modified eggplants in India." should be removed. It is not illustrative of the article or useful in any way, and appears to exist for political purposes favouring an anti-GMO bias. 71.236.204.7 (talk) 13:56, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. I agree. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Culture section[edit]

A section on eggplants in culture could mention:

--Error (talk) 03:56, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Change to Oxford English or Commonwealth English[edit]

Everywhere that the various terms for this plant are used uses Commonwealth English or Oxford English as its standard except for the US. The current language tag refers to "eggplant" being the article's common name, therefore, US English is used. But the name is also used in other countries where Commonwealth English is used. The plant itself is native to South Asia, where Commonwealth English is standard. The first non-stub version of the article also used Oxford or Commonwealth English, so there's really no justification for this article using US English as its standard. Therefore, I propose it be changed (preferably to Oxford to keep it neutral, but Commonwealth is fine as well). Getsnoopy (talk) 18:07, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Except that this article is written in American English, thus the bias for "eggplant," and the plant and fruit are referred to hundreds of different names in its native South Asia, in addition to "brinjal." I also have my doubts that it's referred to as "aubergine" in India.--Mr Fink (talk) 19:18, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's the point I'm making: the topic has strong ties to South and East Asia anyway. Regardless, the original article was written in Commonwealth/Oxford English, so that should be restored. I think changing the canonical title of the article is another matter entirely, which I'm not bringing up here, so the proposal isn't to change it to "aubergine", for example. Getsnoopy (talk) 22:54, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It would seem highly illogical to use Commonwealth/Oxford English for the text and have "eggplant" as the title. Best left as it is. (See also Zucchini.) Peter coxhead (talk) 08:41, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
But they use eggplant in Canada, Australia and New Zealand, all of which are Commonwealth English countries, so I don't see any lack of logic here. As for zucchini, I can attest that people do not use the term in NZ, having lived there; they use courgette. Furthermore, that article seems to have evolved post-stub using US English, so the two situations are not quite comparable. Getsnoopy (talk) 22:20, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You're beginning to drift. Are you proposing we change the title of the article, or are you proposing we change the language to British English?--Mr Fink (talk) 23:03, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Both. It's an aubergine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.131.106.2 (talk) 00:10, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Australia[edit]

I thought this couldn't possibly be what you meant Zabararmon. That's why I reverted. In that case can you explain why you are removing Australia and references that are not for Australia – and now also removing New Zealand – and leaving the other countries? Invasive Spices (talk) 14 February 2022 (UTC)

1) Intro would be too long by adding Australia and New Zealand next to the US and Canada, where the name originated.

The name did not "originate" in North America. It was used in the UK initially when only white fruits were known, which thus resembled eggs. The change to "aubergine" appears to have followed the introduction of purple cultivars, for which "eggplant" doubtless seemed inappropriate. Peter coxhead (talk) 10:57, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2) Under the appropriately titled “Etymology and Regional names”, said countries are already mentioned or, in the case of New Zealand, can be added with a list of other countries who also use the name eggplant Zabararmon (talk) 09:10, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this kind of thing should be in a dedicated section. All of them. Invasive Spices (talk) 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2022[edit]

I need to add information on cooking aubergines with Cheese from the Greek island of Samos. source https://www.samosfood.gr/en-us/RECIPES/MEALS/aubergines-with-cheese Stella Markantonatou (talk) 11:45, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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