Talk:Edwin S. Votey

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Former good articleEdwin S. Votey was one of the Engineering and technology good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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July 21, 2020Good article nomineeListed
February 25, 2023Good article reassessmentDelisted
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on February 9, 2020.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Edwin S. Votey, while president of the Farrand & Votey Organ Company with William R. Farrand as partner, is credited with inventing the first practical player piano (pictured)?
Current status: Delisted good article
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Maile66 (talk) 00:24, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • ... that Edwin S. Votey (pictured pointing), while president of the Farrand & Votey Organ Company with William R. Farrand as partner, invented the practical player piano that played music automatically? Source 1 Source 2 Source 3 - Kane, Joseph Nathan (1997)(pg 26). Famous First Facts "The first pneumatic piano player that was practical was the Pianola, invented in 1896 by Edwin S. Votey"
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

5x expanded by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self-nominated at 13:33, 20 January 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Hi Doug Coldwell, I'll look to review these over the course of this evening:

  • Edwin S. Votey: article more than 5x expanded from 20 January; article is well written and of good length; article is cited inline throughout to reliable sources; I didn't notice any overly close paraphrasing from the sources - Dumelow (talk) 19:26, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Farrand & Votey Organ Company: article created 20 January; article is long enough and within policy; article is cited inline throughout to reliable sources; I can't access many of the sources but I didn't notice any overly close paraphrasing from those I could see - Dumelow (talk) 20:33, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • William R. Farrand: article created 20 January; article exceeds minimum length; article is within policy and cited inline throughout to reliable sources; no overly close paraphrasing noticed from the sources I checked - Dumelow (talk) 07:41, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • General: image is appropriately and freely licensed; hook is interesting and mentioned in the article; hook is backed up by the sources cited (it seems there were earlier self-playing pianos but they weren't practical - they broke down too often etc.); hook is a bit awkwardly worded but I can't think of any improvements that preserve the meaning; three QPQs have been carried out - Dumelow (talk) 09:18, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 04:58, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Lead

  • The lead's a touch short. It's not a long article, but the lead should be a little longer than four sentences.
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:35, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He invented or co-invented several inventions used in World War I, like a pilotless airplane used to drop bombs." - Can you please rephrase out the "like", it's not really encyclopedic tone.
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:35, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Early life

  • Link Baptist
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:39, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Inventions

  • "In 1897 at the age of 41 Votey became vice" - "at the age of 41" is an appositive, it should be set off by commas.
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think companies are referred to as "it" not "they". At least in the US, a company is considered to be a singular legal entity, so the singular case would be more correct.
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:57, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Votey's first Pianola piano player was given to the Smithsonian Museum in Washington, D.C. on December 2, 1922" does not need five citations. See WP:CITEKILL
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:02, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • " and air was made that went through the holes of the rolled paper." - This phrasing is highly confusing. It's almost implying that the machine literally made new air inside of it.
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:14, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The description of the Pianolo switches from past tense to present tense, this is problematic.
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:14, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

General comments

  • The three short sections at the end would be best combined into one section.
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:27, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Later life and death

  • "and went to the Porter hospital at " - Capitalize hospital, as it's part of a proper name
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:27, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In September 1930 he returned" - Comma after 1930
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:27, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  • Ref 3 needs the publisher and the access date.
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:52, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 4 (wiscasset) looks really self-published, I'm doubting it's reliability
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:52, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The title of Bush should be in Title Case, not ALL CAPS
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:52, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Munsey looks self-published, although he may have been a subject-matter expert, I'm just not familiar with him.
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:52, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rogers may be basically self-published. M-Y Books Limited is a print on demand service, and many self-publishing authors use print on demand to do the printing (no oversight or fact-checking provided). I can place a query at WP:RS/N, but their website makes them look like a self-publishing service.
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:52, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The references all need OCLCs, ISBNs, or ISSNs as applicable.
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:09, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's it for the first pass, placing on hold. Hog Farm Bacon 19:53, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Hog Farm: --
All issues have been addressed. Can you take another look. Thanks. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:09, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright contributor investigation and Good article reassessment[edit]

This article is part of Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20210315 and the Good article (GA) drive to reassess and potentially delist over 200 GAs that might contain copyright and other problems. An AN discussion closed with consensus to delist this group of articles en masse, unless a reviewer opens an independent review and can vouch for/verify content of all sources. Please review Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/February 2023 for further information about the GA status of this article, the timeline and process for delisting, and suggestions for improvements. Questions or comments can be made at the project talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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