Talk:EastEnders Live

Some sources for you!

Hello. Lots of new sources for you today! 'Enders boss: 'Cast can cope with live ep', Wadia expects 'Enders live ep discomfort and EXCLUSIVE: Clive Arnold (Director, 'EastEnders Live') - Part 1 (interview with the director). You might have already seen them but, there you go! AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:29, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

By the way, there are officially 10 suspects, and Adam Woodyatt tweeted that there are 10 endings. (That 10 suspects link has lots more info too.) AnemoneProjectors (talk) 01:04, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that! The only one I'd seen was the Clive Arnold one, and it was so long I had no idea where to start with it. I'll try and get everything finished before broadcast tonight :D Frickative 05:25, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

That's a great interview. I got in the zone a bit on my Who Killed Archie page last night (after borrowing stuff from here!) I really need to work on the suspects section. But I think it's coming along nicely. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 12:38, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

What do you make of this? What we gonna do if they have to use pre-recorded footage? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:24, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

To be totally honest, my cynical side thinks this is just a last minute bid for publicity to keep people guessing up to the last minute (as if there wasn't enough of that going on already!). If they do end up using pre-recorded footage, it shouldn't take too much work to make the article reflect that it was supposed to be transmitted live, but in the event wasn't. Most of the production is just talking about planning anyway. I imagine the reception will be incredibly scathing if it doesn't go ahead as planned. Frickative 13:38, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

I think you might be right about it being publicity. Not that it's needed! Going by my twitter timeline, there will be people watching it who don't normally watch EastEnders. I'm expecting ratings of at least 15 million. I'm so excited! AnemoneProjectors (talk) 14:12, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

I reckon it might be worth mentioning since this has confirmed that she's going to be in it even though she had a sore throat. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:16, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Yup, I'm just waiting to see how it goes, then I'll probably mention it in the "Cast" section, or maybe a new section on the broadcast itself if I can come up with enough material. I can't wait, and I really hope they show some of the alternate reveals in the documentary, more ridiculous the better. Frickative 18:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Me too. I want to find out the 10 official suspects as I have 11 in my article! I'll have to watch it on the internet (live streaming) as there's no way I'm going to miss it. I bought an amplified aerial in the hope I could finally get freeview to work but no luck :( I'm not gonna wait for the BBC Two repeat! AnemoneProjectors (talk) 19:13, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Title

I have a feeling the actual title of the episode was "EastEnders Live" and not just "Live". AnemoneProjectors (talk) 14:43, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Hm, where have you seen it called that? The only place I've seen is Digital Spy, and I'd be inclined to take the BBC over that. Frickative 14:52, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, I got the feeling from the fact that the aftermath show is called EastEnders Live: The Aftermath, but I just say here that they say "Watch EastEnders Live". AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:18, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Though when you click through from the link on the page, it just says "Live". This is awkward... Frickative 15:27, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

True, though I see "EastEnders Live" mentioned more often through the internet. Up to you. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:37, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Hm, I'll go through all the reception refs when I'm done and see what the reviewers are calling it. I can't remember one way or the other apart from with the review I have open at the moment, which does call it "EastEnders Live". Frickative 15:53, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Ooh ooh ooh, that link says "Live" but the EastEnders Live: The Aftermath link just says "Live: The Aftermath". But we know that's definitely called EastEnders Live: The Aftermath. So I think the episode should definitely be "EastEnders Live". AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:16, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

I've changed all the "Live"s to "EastEnders Live". From the sources in the article, only DS and the Irish Herald actually call it that, but none at all call it just "Live". It's on iPlayer as "EastEnders: Live", with a colon. The BBC really didn't want to make things easy, boo. Frickative 16:17, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree with "EastEnders Live". I've changed mine as well. I just don't know what title to give the storyline though because I haven't seen the BBC give it a name. I changed the lead as if it was titled but maybe I should go back to just being descriptive. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 16:30, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Hm, I was sure I'd seen them call it "Who Killed Archie?" on the BBC site but looking now, the only place they seem to use it as a title rather than just a question is here. Wikinews says it was marketed as "Who Killed Archie", but apparently they don't have to cite their sources... Oh and 'Who Killed Archie' was the top trending topic on Twitter [1]. This BBC article says: "At the moment the storyline that is dominating the soap is "who killed Archie Mitchell?". Digital Spy call it "Who Killed Archie", as do What's on TV and News of the World. I can't find any decent sources apart from the one BBC article including 'Mitchell' in the title, so yeah, I think overall there's good justification to title it 'Who Killed Archie'. Frickative 17:11, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

It's on Wikinews and not linked to in any Wikipedia articles?! Have to do something about that. Well, I'll go with "Who Killed Archie?" based on the Diederick interview page, and it will generally be known as that. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:45, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, Times Online have called it "Who killed Archie?" AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:55, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Ah, that's a great source. It's hard to argue with them putting it alongside "Who shot JR?". Frickative 18:01, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

The title for your page has pretty much been confirmed by Diederick Santer himself in a blog entry. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 14:03, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Excellent. I was assuming a few late reviews would trickle through this morning, but nothing seems to have come up, so I'm ready to go live (pardon the pun) whenever you are :D Frickative 14:53, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Am I ready to go live yet? Sharon Marshall confirmed the three clues on This Morning this morning so I can add that, and I think the only other thing is to say that Jake Wood was also told. Do you think my plot length needs reducing? I tried to do it yesterday but it all seemed relevant! Can be done after it goes live, I guess. And the lead as well. I'm terrible at lead sections as you know :) I'll let you know when I'm ready. Should I wait until after tonight's episode when it's all wrapped up? I'm not sure how long the actual aftermath might go on for, and Santer said some extra scenes will be filmed for more recent episodes than the ones they should be filming right now. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 16:54, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Ooh, I'll have a go at reducing the plot section if you like. You can wait until after tonight's broadcast to move it to the mainspace, but I don't think it really matters one way or the other. Whenever it goes up, there are bound to be IPs clamouring to add every significant stare and pregnant pause to the plot, lol. Frickative 17:00, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

True! You're excellent at plot reduction so yeah that would be helpful as well. I love that we're gonna go for a joint-effort double DYK after this! AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:12, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for that. I knew some of it wouldn't be that important, but I find it easier to write about stuff in brief if it happened like a month ago, that's why my "before the murder" section was better. Also, as the storyline progressed, we didn't know what was important and what wasn't, so I just put it all in :) I actually did add images a while ago when I saw that you had, but only got as far as previewing it! I'll go back and add a couple. By the way, I'm going to move it to Who Killed Archie?, will you be moving this to EastEnders Live? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:57, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

No problem. You're right, it was all totally relevant while the killer's identity was still up in the air (and it did clarify the whole shirt/cufflink issue for me, haha). And yep, I'll move it to EastEnders Live. The double DYK should be great, I haven't seen many of them before :D I want to go for GA at some point as well, but I already have 6 waiting for review, which is probably pushing it. Frickative 18:54, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I hope I can go for GA as well, that would be nice. I only have two under my belt. You're just GAreedy :P So when shall we move into the main space?! I think I'm all done... AnemoneProjectors (talk) 19:15, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

LOL, I am. And if we're both done, we should probably just go for it! Do you want to make the DYK nom? Frickative 19:24, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Can we both make the DYK nom?! I'm going to move my article..... in about 1 minute :D go for it!!! AnemoneProjectors (talk) 19:31, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Cufflink/shirt

It must have been the cufflink because they burnt the shirt weeks ago, but recently Shirley found one cufflink and they were unable to find the other and he said "Christmas Day" and he was searching for it since. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 14:45, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't know where I came up with it being a shirt from then. Unless he was looking for the cufflink but was explaining to Peggy that Shirley knew about the shirt? Ach, I don't know, I need to rewatch it, but you're much more likely to be right than I am, lol. Frickative 14:52, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

I think he thought Ian had the cufflink, but told Peggy about the shirt as Shirley knew it was bloodied. Confusing? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:19, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh dear. So where I've changed the next paragraph to say "Phil tells his mother Peggy (Barbara Windsor) about the cufflink, explaining that he got blood on him after finding Archie's body"... is wrong again? I wasn't even going to mention that scene because it didn't seem that important to the plot, but I needed a neat way to segue in to talking about Peggy. Frickative 15:27, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I guess it's wrong again! lol! Need to get my article up to standard now so they can both go live together. I guess the storyline officially ends on Monday when they drop the case. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:37, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I assume if/when it comes out in the open on the show that it was Stacey it'll all come in to play again, but the main "whodunnit" is all but over now. The article's looking great, btw! I like how they've both come out - obviously there is some overlap, but both articles stand well on their own. Frickative 15:53, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm glad they both stand on their own. Obviously I don't need to talk about fluffed lines and rehearsals, and you don't need to talk about suspects and story conferences. My internet connection seems good at the moment so I should try working on the suspects now! Need to see The Aftermath again cos I missed about 20 minutes of it, something good might have been mentioned! AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:57, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Errors

Not sure if it's online (though I assume it is) but in today The Sun, other errors mentioned are Bradley's fingers twitching after he died and Jake Wood putting his fingers down his throat in order to retch (which to me, looked totally bizarre!). AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:10, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm just yanking sources as they come up on Google News, but nothing from The Sun has come though today so I hadn't seen that (though I had seen the Facebook group for 'Max Branning's failed attempt of being sick live', lol). I'm hoping somewhere brings up Sam Womack forgetting to pay for the paint thinner as well, haha. Frickative 17:18, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Forgetting to pay for the paint thinner? Hmm? I have a Google News alert for EastEnders but hardly anything has come through on that today. I rarely bother to search for things as I tend to rely on them being emailed to me! AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:32, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

That's odd, over 50 news items have come through since last night - though a lot of them are pretty much identical. And in the shop scene where Ronnie and Roxy were arguing, Ronnie picked up paint thinner then stormed out, without Sam Womack remembering to stop at the counter pay for it, hee. Sadly it hasn't come up in any sources that I've seen so far. Maybe it was scripted and Ronnie's a kleptomaniac now on top of everything else. Frickative 18:04, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Heh, I didn't even notice what they went into the shop for. I didn't see the paint thinner. Definitely have to watch again! (P.S. help me find sources for suspects please! It's too hard) AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:09, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, I wonder if Minty was supposed to take his shirt off. In The Aftermath he said "just for a laugh" but who knows? Be funnier if it wasn't scripted. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:29, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Ha, that would be brilliant. The Northern Echo called Minty stripping "the most shocking moment" of the episode, which I'd include in his article if it wasn't so facetious. Frickative 18:42, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Ooh I saw the "June" thing and Ronnie leaving without paying. Also, Jean's camera was clearly off when she was showing the photos to Becca. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:35, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Interesting that Jack's fluff was edited for the omnibus. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:35, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Gr, I was vetoed on watching EastEnders again while there's football on the TV so I didn't see. Seems a bit daft though, when half the fun in watching is spotting the slip-ups! Frickative 16:16, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Ooh, you can cite EastEnders Live: The Aftermath for Ronnie not paying as Sam Womack just said she had 20p in her hand to pay and when she got outside she still had it in her hand! AnemoneProjectors (talk) 16:30, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

oh and Jack's line was still fluffed but he said something about "public" and that was taken out. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 16:33, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Ooh, good thinking re: Ronnie! Do you know roughly how far in it was she said that? I'm flicking through iPlayer but it goes a bit haywire after too much backwards and forwards. Frickative 16:55, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, it started at 4 and I posted here at 4.30 so I'd watch from about the 28 minute mark onwards (maybe 25 just to be on the safe side?). AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:11, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Got it, thanks! Cue lots of strange looks from family as I play it back 16 times trying to transcribe it... Frickative 17:16, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

More cockups! Though I don't believe that Lacey Turner really shouted "Charlie", I think they made that one up. But that's an online source for the Ronnie-not-paying error, and also June Brown forgetting Dotty's name (which she mentioned on The Aftermath) and apparently Ian said "slop it" instead of "stop it" lol! I shall watch again and look out for those! Also, you wouldn't know from watching it but June Brown said on The Aftermath that she said "house" instead of "door". Probably not worth including that one though. Anyway, that source is from the Daily Star so I probably wouldn't use any of it :) AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:46, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Hm, for some reason I feel like Lacey shouting 'Charlie' rings a bell with me, but I'm sure it would have been picked up by a tonne of places besides the Daily Star if it did happen. Yeah, I probably won't use that source - I've been trying to stick to broadsheets for the most part, though a few tabloids have crept in, and at some point I'm going to go through and try and replace as many of the Digital Spy ones as possible with broadsheets too. Oh, I don't know if you've seen this, but it might be worth a line in the reception section of "Who Killed Archie?" Frickative 07:23, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I watched the ending last night and didn't hear her shouting 'Charlie' though sometimes it sounded like maybe it could have been 'Charlie' but I'm sure it was a word that wasn't even meant to be 'Bradley'. She had lost her voice anyway. I did receive that source in my email last night but hadn't had a chance to read it yet. I'm adding it as I type (yes I can edit two pages at the same time lol) AnemoneProjectors (talk) 10:47, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh and maybe if she did shout 'Charlie' it could be seen as her wanting her Uncle Charlie :) AnemoneProjectors (talk) 11:02, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Ah, very true, I didn't think of that :) And I wish I could multi-task. I nearly just replied with the season 1 ratings for Glee... Frickative 11:27, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Apparently people can continue to twitch after they die, so Bradley's fingers were appparently fine :) Can't remember where I read that earlier today but it could be mentioned, if I could find it. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:54, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

"You've helped the flack from the plack, Bradley, and held it against the public. We all 'ave!"

I don't think Ally Ross's TV column from The Sun is featured online, but he didn't give a very nice review of the episode :( The quote is funny though. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:50, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Responses to errors

Where there has been a response to some of the "errors" observed in transmission, should this be included? I was going to add this:

The script called for Wood to be sick, though there was not enough time for him to put the liquid into his mouth, and he stated that you might put your fingers into your throat anyway, "to get it all out".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.whatsontv.co.uk/soaps/eastenders/news/stacey-and-max-to-star-in-eastenders-two-hander/8435|title=Stacey and Max to star in EastEnders two-hander|date=23 February 2010|work=[[What's on TV]]|publisher=[[IPC Media]]|accessdate=24 February 2010}}</ref>

but I wasn't sure that it would fit into the "broadcast" section. This would apply to Bradley's finger-twitch too, if the source can be found. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 23:18, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Hm, there could be a "Post broadcast" section added, that could also encompass Santer's post-broadcast comments and how he never considered having the killer turn out to be anyone but Stacey, but equally, because the finger/retching explanations are so directly linked to what's already in the broadcast section, I think they'd be just as well presented all in one section? Interesting justification on Wood's part, anyway, haha. Frickative 11:18, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

I'll just add it then, next to the part about retching. I almost forgot that I can edit the page! I'm quite interested to know what liquid they use for vomit. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 12:47, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Consolidated ratings

Here. anemoneprojectors talk 22:36, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:EastEnders Live/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: weebiloobil (talk) 17:48, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Hello! I'm weebiloobil (talk), and I'll be reviewing this article. A preliminary check shows the article to be in good stead, although reference 33 appears to be broken. I'll be back soon to provide the full review, but until then, feel free to leave any comments either here or on my talk page. Good luck! - weebiloobil (talk) 17:48, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

The Review

Hello again! That was lovely and quick. There are some articles that are a nightmare to go through and review, but luckily this wasn't one of them, and I only have a few things to mention.

• The article states that the cast and crew had 2 weeks of rehearsals, but it then states "Cast members had just three full rehearsal days in advance of the live episode, two dress rehearsals, and only one read-through of the entire episode". What were they doing the rest of the two weeks? It seems a bit confusing, so some clarification might be required.

• From EastEnders Live#Broadcast: "On the day of broadcast, it was reported that..." Reported by whom? The reference says The Daily Mirror, so why not "On the day of broadcast, The Mirror reported that...".

• From EastEnders Live#Origins: "Another aspect of the episode is the remarriage of characters Bianca Jackson (Patsy Palmer) and Ricky Butcher (Sid Owen). " As I recall from watching the episode, the marriage took place the day before, and only part of the reception was seen in the live episode.

• The two pictures - much as I like using images, do we really need pictures of Barbara Windsor and Adam Woodyat to tell us that Windsor made an error and one of Woodyat's lines was criticised?

And there was this interesting thing. It fulfills the Good Article Criteria (specifically 1(a)), but the clause " It was feared producers may have to use the pre-recorded tape on the day of broadcast when Turner fell ill with the flu," from the lead contains some interesting grammatical points concerning the 'have'. What tense is it?

Anyway, I'm placing the article on hold whilst this points are addressed/discussed, although judging by the speed reference 33 was fixed, it shouldn't be too long. Good luck! - weebiloobil (talk) 18:44, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the review!

• After re-reading both sources, it's not at all clear what a "full" rehearsal day entails, so I've taken that bit out and left that they had had two weeks to rehearse but just two dress rehearsals.

• I've changed it to "The Mirror reported that..."

• I put the images in initially to break the text up for easier reading, but given that the structure has ended up with multiple section breaks, it's not exactly a wall of text, so I've taken them out again :)

• Grammar has unfortunately never been my forte, so I'm not entirely clear on what the tense issue is with the 'have' - I've changed the sentence to: "When Turner fell ill with the flu on the day of broadcast, it was feared the producers may need to use the pre-recorded tape, but in the event she recovered enough to appear." - is that any better? Frickative 20:01, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Ooh, a grammar question. As it stands, the sentence (or more specifically, the clause) that is the problem, "may have to use", is the conditional progressive; ie, someone in the past ("it was feared) was worrying that they would have to broadcast the episode in our relative future, eg next week (they may need to). However, the episode was broadcast, so the question of whether to broadcast it live or show the tape has already been solved; the correct tense/mood/voice is the conditional perfect, "they may have needed to". As the meerkat says, simples.

Anyhoo, that has no bearing on the GA status, and seeing as you've done everything I've asked, I'm delighted to pass the article. Congratulations! - weebiloobil (talk) 10:09, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I'd have just changed "have" to "have had". It's that strange tense where something's both future and past. anemoneprojectors talk 10:34, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Nominated

Nowhere for awards in the reception section, didn't want to start a single-line section, but it's nominated for Best Single Episode at the British Soap Awards. Can't see it winning due to all the errors, but hopefully that won't be a factor, because it was an amazing episode! [2] AnemoneProjectors 23:31, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Since it now has two nominations, I've added the above to a new section. AnemoneProjectors 12:08, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Hey, sorry, I didn't notice your first message on my watchlist. I'm not really a fan of one sentence stub sections, but hm, if there's public vote involved it doesn't really fit under "Critical response". Lets hope it wins to add a bit more meat to the section :p Frickative 13:35, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

There's no public vote for the BSA award for Best Single Episode. Maybe merge with the critical reception and demerge if it becomes beef-upable. AnemoneProjectors 15:26, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I mis-read the bit at the bottom of the Digital Spy article about voting, oops. I'll merge them up for now, then :) Frickative 15:44, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Reports are coming through that it has won, but no RS yet, just tweets from people who are attending. AnemoneProjectors 20:18, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

New information

Is this any help? AnemoneProjectors 12:34, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Also, I know the reception section is pretty big but if you want to make it bigger, this is quite good. AnemoneProjectors 00:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

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