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Definitions[edit]

Removed reference to duende as fairy or goblin-like creature in Latin American mythology. While this is technically correct it is the Spanish etymology/origin which is relevant to the development of this particularly Spanish term. Naranjaa (talk) 02:04, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Could the line "great arsenic lobster" be removed? It may be more appropriate in a longer work which explores various shades of meaning but perhaps is not as suitable for a short Wikipedia article. As an aside, in contemporary usage, I don't believe everyone would consider duende a "demonic earth spirit" per se. This might be more related to Lorca's poetic interpretation. Naranjaa (talk) 02:16, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

James Michener has written the best description of duende that I have ever seen in his book Iberia. I cannot do it justice from memory. MFalu 16:25, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alternate Meanings[edit]

I have a Mexican friend who says that in her hometown, "duende" is a term that refers to, for lack of a better description, a Mexican leprechaun (her description included the phrase "enano magico", literally "magical midget"). This includes rainbows, pots of gold, and mischievous activity commonly associated with the more familiar Irish version. She said that one duende might be helpful, but two together were sure to cause trouble, and if you had a particularly bad one living under your house, you bribed him with tequila and cigarettes to be rid of him.

This sounds ridiculous, and I have laughed about it many times,as I first associated "duende" with a musical feeling. However, I have asked several other acquaintances from Mexico, and they have all confirmed the legend.

I don't know what to make of it, but I can't pretend I didn't hear it. Can anyone else provide some input?

You're right - in fact, the Spanish wiki entry for duende is a very well-developed (not just by es.wiki standards) article that mentions only the mythological definition, and nothing about music. Since it seems you know some Espanol, I suggest you take a look there. That's where I got all the information (I have no clue about this) to make the update I made. Thanks for the tip-off. Adam Mathias 22:29, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ha ha ha! You're right! I was starting to think my friends were pulling an elaborate gag on me! Thanks for the info. The Spanish entry is thorough and matches what I'd been told, including the connection to Fiesta de la San Patricio (St. Patrick's day). I wish there was some easy way to translate wikipedia entries to English. I suppose the best wiki articles are written in the language of the people who care most about any given subject. C'est la wiki.
Yeah your last sentence is definitely true. But I don't find that to be a problem. Rather, I think it is telling/informative that certain subjects are well-developed in some languages and not in others, and it is also interesting to see how different wikis approach the same subject. Also, though in this case I think both es and en should have an article about all three: duendes, leprachauns (sp?), and goblins, but in other cases (for example Santa Claus) it's not quite clear where one character becomes another and where it's just the same character with the name translated and slightly different traditions surrounding it. I guess what I'm saying is, I'm glad different wikis are different, but that does of course presuppose multilingualism! Adam Mathias 04:26, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a native spanish speaker and I've never heard about Duende as a musical feeling or whatsoever, to be true in spanish the word Duende is Always refered as a sort of mythological, fantastic creature; by the way Never seen by any human, but always related with the underground living and the sharpenned ears, but I have to disagree to the popular knowns of rainbows and pots of gold and anything involving the Irish mythology; I agree with the idea of 'calming' this Duende down by putting some sort of gift, 'ofrenda' such as the Tequila and the cigarrettes. Gerardo Navarro 11:27, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Also forgot to tell that this fantastic legend is related with the 'fary tales' said by grandmothers in practically every town in Mexico. Gerardo Navarro 11:40, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Having just returned from a trip to northern Peru (San Jacinto, Ancash), I can confirm that the duende is acknowledged as a presence there, too, but I have talked with people who say they have actually seen it. So I would disagree with Gerardo Navarro's comment that it has never been seen by any human. It is said to be a dwarf-like figure and has the affect of transfixing and rendering the observer mute and terrified. Given the looming presence of so many Moche, Inca, and Chavin ruins looming dark in the night in that valley, it is easy to see how it might be believed. Montoya

The word "Duende" means "Goblin" in Portuguese, altough there isn't much mithology about them in Portugal, since is a general Christian country. --Midasminus

The usage of duende as a music term is totally separate from the usage like "goblin," as explained to me by several native speakers; however, the music term as described by Lorca himself is not purely related to music, but also dance and poetry (both tangentially related to music!). It is a wild and mystical inspiration and way of thinking in both written and audible art (and I bet visual as well). SO I'd suggest disambiguating it not into "duende (mythological)" and "duende (music)" but rather the former and "duende (art)."

But mythology is not an art. They're not one and the same thing.--Midasminus 19:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Duende in Andalucia[edit]

For first, "have or having duende" is not used in Spain and it hasnt got anything with Mexico. Is a term who is used in Andalucia (in the south of Spain). "Having Duende" refears to someone who has got talent for some kind of art. For the famenco singer, for painting, illustring, whatever. Duende means too goblin or fairy, like in diferent european mithologics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.61.78.114 (talk) 15:13, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Miles Davies quote[edit]

Can anyone source the quote? @Barney Coman wrote in the article " Miles Davis refers to ″Duende″ in his autobiography which he wrote with Quincy Troupe, as "maximum effect with minimum effort". Not having access to the book right at this moment I can't elaborate accurately. But I'll search out the book and update this entry." I had a look but could find nothing... Spanglej (talk) 12:20, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In popular culture[edit]

Strongly agreed. The particular examples provided to date may be detracting from the overall entry as they contain personal interpretations which may or may not encapsulate the spirit of the term. If they remain, perhaps it should be noted too that these are not just contemporary, they are non-flamenco applications of the term. There are certainly contemporary flamenco-related uses which are not included (so, if keeping the section, it would perhaps be better to qualify it as "contemporary non-flamenco uses". As well, some might argue that duende as duende is most naturally experienced in flamenco (and then, only in the flamenco which has, in that moment, "duende"). Naranjaa (talk) 01:54, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I move that we cut the popular culture examples. This list is not comprehensive, Duende is an ancient idea that has inspired artists for hundreds of years. The examples given are mostly track titles that are not indicative content on or about Duende as a further source of information. WP:TRIV says trivia sections and lists should be avoided. Thanks Spanglej (talk) 17:06, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DUENDE - Band[edit]

DUENDE At the heart of their music – rock and grunge (relative to acoustic albums: Stone Temple Pilots, Аlice in Chains, Days of the New, Dead can Dance, Pearl Jam, etc)., In the beginning of 2009 musicians have released a single and video “Alma Mira al Cielo”. In the end of 2009 Duende presented their debut album “Sonnets of Dark Love” and brand-new video – “Casida de la Rosa”. In 2010, two songs of DUENDE: “Casida de la Rosa” and “An autumn song” took place in movie - “PG 16” (release – september16 of 2010), director Andrey Kavun (“Hunting for the Piranha”, “Kandahar”,.e.tc.), as sound-tracks. And right now they’ve been working on the second album… — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.250.204.6 (talk) 22:51, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Cave[edit]

It may be worth removing this section as it may not reflect well enough the spirit of the term, or adding additional qualifications. It is arguably too narrow a definition to equate duende with either sadness, melancholy, or suffering. Although this can be a component, it is not the full picture. Naranjaa (talk) 01:42, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Does Nick Cave bigging up his mates really have a place here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.53.197 (talk) 23:31, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Citation needed[edit]

Does anyone know who characterized duende as such? "El duende has been defined as the spirit of evocation. It comes from inside as a physical/emotional response to art. It is what gives you chills, makes you smile or cry as a bodily reaction to an artistic performance that is particularly expressive. Folk music in general, especially flamenco, tends to embody an authenticity that comes from a people whose culture is enriched by diaspora and hardship."

I see this contribution was added on March 12, 2009 by IP address 76.25.207.105, so I wasn't able to reach out to the contributor and I have yet to locate it's source. This description should be attributed as it doesn't reflect encyclopedic style. PoetishBookwormus (talk) 21:50, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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