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Further to single archived section from January, I have trimmed more detail, which may be relevant at the Quinn Fabray article or related. Content and its sources mainly trimmed in this edit, and in the below collapse.

Extended content

In the first season, Quinn becomes pregnant by a delinquent football player, losing her cheerleading position and being kicked out by her strict Christian father. As a result, she bonds with the glee club and becomes kinder.[1][2][3]

Murphy said that for the start of Glee's second season, Quinn would "regain the personality she had before getting pregnant".[4] The character becomes obsessed with being prom queen and, during her campaign, it is revealed that she was bullied at a previous school;[5][6][7] Agron was excited for the story, though said she had wanted the chance to act in flashbacks.[8]

Media outlets found Quinn's punk phase and attempt at gaining parental custody, and the lack of resolution for these plots, to be strange.[3][9]

References

  1. ^ Waterman 2010.
  2. ^ Snierson 2009.
  3. ^ a b DiCarlo 2018.
  4. ^ Wightman 2010.
  5. ^ Wightman 2011a.
  6. ^ Gonzalez 2011.
  7. ^ de Moraes 2011.
  8. ^ Wightman 2011b.
  9. ^ Loiacono 2015.
  • Waterman, Lauren (January 11, 2010). "Dianna Agron". Interview. Archived from the original on December 9, 2019. Retrieved October 7, 2020.
  • Snierson, Dan (November 19, 2009). "Glee recap: The Ballad of Rachel and Will". Entertainment Weekly. Archived from the original on October 16, 2020. Retrieved October 7, 2020.
  • DiCarlo, Steve (December 25, 2018). "Glee: 20 Things That Make No Sense About Quinn Fabray". Screen Rant. Archived from the original on December 27, 2018. Retrieved October 7, 2020.
  • Wightman, Catriona (July 13, 2010). "'Glee' exec 'likes Quinn's bitchy side'". Digital Spy. Archived from the original on March 16, 2021. Retrieved 2021-03-16.
  • Wightman, Catriona (April 27, 2011a). "Recap – 'Glee': 'Born This Way'". Digital Spy. Archived from the original on September 10, 2020. Retrieved October 17, 2020.
  • Gonzalez, Sandra (March 16, 2011). "Glee recap: They kissed. Everyone won". Entertainment Weekly. Archived from the original on October 31, 2015. Retrieved October 7, 2020.
  • de Moraes, Lisa (April 27, 2011). "Supersized 'Glee': We watch so you don't have to". The Washington Post. Archived from the original on October 7, 2020. Retrieved October 7, 2020.
  • Wightman, Catriona (September 14, 2011b). "'Glee' Dianna Agron, Kevin McHale Q&A". Digital Spy. Dianna Agron, Kevin McHale (interviewees). Archived from the original on November 15, 2020. Retrieved 2021-01-26.
  • Loiacono, Rita (2015-01-09). "Glee and me: The heartbreaking demise of our love affair". SheKnows.com. Archived from the original on January 12, 2015. Retrieved 2021-05-20.
Kingsif (talk) 04:45, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Zanimum (talk · contribs) 01:58, 14 February 2022 (UTC)


I'll gladly take a look, starting with the basic readability. (I just got distracted watching four episodes of It's a Mall World.) -- Zanimum (talk) 01:58, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks - haha, how is it? I know the 00s were a good time for webseries but it sounds like a long-form commercial :/ Kingsif (talk) 10:48, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
I've seen the first four episodes so far, and there's surprisingly very little about the store. While some shots show the AE sign, subtly in the background, it's mostly just a reason for the record shop employee lead to be able to see Agron's character easily from his store, and become infatuated with her. Its short run-time means that the plots never overstay their welcome.
About to start deciphering my notes. -- Zanimum (talk) 03:04, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
@Zanimum: That may be the most complete review the show has got. Thank you for the review below, during the pandemic I really wanted a "project" to keep me focused as everything else got hectic, and I picked improving this article. If you look at the es.wiki version, it basically looked like that (but in English) before, and I am proud of the turnaround here. I was unsure about the sourcing structure myself at first - I use it often for film articles, but wondered about its appropriateness for a BLP, especially with a lot of refs. I also worried about the section structure, first basing it on that used at Scarlett Johansson and then on that at Taylor Swift. The differences seem to be interpretive rather than strictly formatted. Any feedback on these choices would be very welcome! Kingsif (talk) 10:26, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

I'll follow up with a formal, templated evaluation tomorrow, once I've had a chance to review the references in detail.

But overall, you've written a winner. Very little at all for me to pick at. You've managed to cover an incredible amount of information without it seeming long, depth without anything seeming inconsequential.

The less common style of references threw me initially, but I'm actually now quite intrigued with the possibilities. You've given it such a clean, structured approach to that section, like a printed publication. I quite appreciate the sorting of sources based on type, and then the hidden wikicode <!--A--> to help with organization. Kudos, of course, on pulling out relevant quotes, where applicable. That makes it much easier on readers, looking for more info. I also appreciate the notes, footnotes to isolate infomation that doesn't naturally fit with the rest. Overall: it's a showcase of what more article here should be doing, for the sake of reader.

I love that a thesis is cited! Very unexpected for an article about a modern entertainment figure, yet completely appropriate information, context.

I was a bit off-put by the authentic pronunciation of Agron's surname, and had noted "should it be the real pronunciation, or should it be the way she says it?" But I see there's an explanation below, so that's good.

Normally when reviewing an article on GA, I make a number of small changes here and there, only listing larger changes. I couldn't find any spelling or grammatical mistakes. Throughout the entire article, I only raised an eyebrow twice:

  • The source says that she attended Jewish day school "through" third grade, which I read to be all years up to and including third grade, whereas "until" third grade, I read as if the change happened before the start of that grade. aka was third grade the last year in Jewish day school, or the first year in public school? It's not a big deal, but I'm wondering if it might be worth considering the wording.
  • "...Agron had been to over thirty auditions for a small part in a different musical..." I was like, "wait, she attended an audition with 29 callbacks for one part?", as both small part and musical are singular. The way she phrases it in the source quote is clearer.

These are really just nitpicking, but they're the only notes I can give you. You've done a stellar job of getting it in order. After you've gotten it in DYK, immediately go for FAN.

Anyway, I'll try and take a look at the references on Tuesday, and then do the formal GAN evaluation for the pass. -- Zanimum (talk) 03:31, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Apologies for the delay; last night I checked references 15, 30, 45, 60, 75, 95, 110, 125, 140, 155, 170, 185, 200, 215, 230, 245, 260, 275, 295, 310, 325, 340, and 355. They all passed verification with flying colours. -- Zanimum (talk) 03:40, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Official review:

1. Well written?: Accurate, clear, focused, polished. Nothing that requires prior knowledge of the person profiled. Sections well chosen, information in the lede is reflected in the rest of the article.
2. Verifiable?: A tenth of references were checked, as well as any a random selection of others in the first read-through. No trouble verifying any of them. A good portion of references actually have relevant portions as quotes within the template. No original research, copyvios. No claims that could be challenged. All sources are either widely known to be reliable, are connected to a reliable institution (like museums), or if less known, are inherently reliable by nature of being based on direct interviews, reviews, or other reliable reporting.
3. Broad in coverage?: Broad but focused.
4. Neutral point of view?: No real viewpoints to represent, as Agron is largely "drama free" by intention.
5. Stable?: Stable.
6. Images?: Even has video, which is uncommon on Wikipedia. Surprisingly three images from US government sources, thus public domain. Of the remainder, one of the uploaders has mixed in copyrighted images with her own personal free licensed photos, however being an entertainment reporter of note, she would have had access to the Hollywood party the photo was taken at, and the image was taken on a consumer grade camera, so there's no reason to doubt it's her image.

Bravo, GA. — Zanimum (talk) 03:40, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 17:54, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

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Dianna Agron in 2017
Dianna Agron in 2017
  • ... that, despite being Jewish, Dianna Agron has been described as "the archetypal shiksa"?
    • ALT1: ... that Dianna Agron had not watched anything besides classic musicals when she moved to Los Angeles in 2005 to become an actress?
    • ALT2: ... that Dianna Agron auditioned for Glee using a high voice because she interpreted her character as a perfectionist who would not want a deep voice, something Agron had been teased for at school?
    • ALT3: ... that Dianna Agron made her professional solo singing debut six years after being nominated for a Brit Award?
    • ALT4: ... that Dianna Agron and Emma Stone's apartment building was raided by SWAT?
    • ALT5: ... that actress Dianna Agron thought that a paralysis storyline involving her character, said to be Glee's shark jump, would be explored gradually?
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Andy O'Brien (journalist)
    • Comment: Some of the hooks combine different parts of the article; alt3 mentions Brit, not Grammys, since the Brit was for the singers and the Grammys for albums. Alt0 may not be appropriate as "shiksa" is still quite offensive to some people (but this would be like using "queer", I think, which hooks have done). Alt4 deliberately eludes year for quirky factor. Other images could be used; Glee ones for Glee hooks, the Carlyle one for alt3 - plenty in the article and at commons but I think an image of Agron has been used for an image hook for a television episode she was in, so would have to check that. (An image was in a nom but didn't run) Agron's birthday is in April, so this might be in time for a special occasions hook.

Improved to Good Article status by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 09:03, 17 February 2022 (UTC).

  • Considering the GA status, the main things to review are the QPQ nom (done) and the hooks. I have mixed feelings about the main (slight BLP issues, but perhaps most hooky). ALT1 is not good (simplification and realistically not true, or confusing). The remaining hooks are IMHO trivial or boring, with the ALT4 (SWAT) being perhaps the best (most likely to hook the reader). Therefore I'd recommend main or ALT$, the promotor can choose their favorite (or any other, it's all subjective I guess). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:09, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

ALT2 to T:DYK/P7 without image

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