Talk:Deaths in October 2019

Aurora, US Air Force Falcon

The US Air Force Academy's mascot died at the age of 23. Animals have to have an article before they can list, but she does not have one like UGA, Mike the Tiger, et al. So if someone would either like to make a section on the US Air Force Academy sports page or make an article for all of their mascots, it can be listed. [1] [2] Thanks. Sunnydoo (talk) 01:14, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Whoa up. It has to be a dedicated, standalone article about the animal - not a redirect bluelink to anywhere within a related page. Just to make that clear, as you seem to be advocating someone do that. Ref ^(chew)(do) 05:51, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

I was referring to something like this- Uga (mascot). Most universities in the US use the same mascot name over and over in succession with a numeral behind them, i.e. V, VI, VII. It also makes it easier that way so that we dont have a million and a half articles on each one. Additionally, some Wiki sports articles include this information in the section regarding the teams. Either way some reference has to be had before they can be linked.Sunnydoo (talk) 01:18, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

With human articles, not only can redlinks be used for thirty days but also relevant redirects to other pages. You still seem to be suggesting a contrived bluelink for the inclusion of an animal, whereas the consensus at the moment calls for an article being in existence already which is strictly dedicated to the one named animal being added - not a link to a group or "type", nor a list via a redirect or such other device. That is the major difference between listing humans and animals here. Ref ^(chew)(do) 21:06, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Bergeron nationality

The linked article on Rachelle Bergeron says how she was eager to return to the US soon and had only lived on Yap for work since 2015.I think the implications of "American-born Micronesian" are that she had gone there for good,which is not supported.12.144.5.2 (talk) 15:46, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Agree. Removed "Micronesian" bit. — Wyliepedia @ 17:23, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Some kind of proof or indication that she had actually changed nationality or taken on dual nationality should freely exist before any link to other than her birth country is included. Simply "going there for good" is nothing but foreign residency, subject to varying immigration and visa stay restrictions in each location, and not change of nationality. To put it in officialese... Ref ^(chew)(do) 18:52, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Leah Bracknell

There's an edit war of sorts going on here, of which I myself have been guilty of participating in. I think a few sources had a date in September listed and these have since been corrected, so there's some good faith editing going on. Be mindful before editing. Zerbey (talk) 17:55, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Bracknell died on an undetermined (as far as sourcing goes) date in September, but the death was not announced until October 16. I believe we normally add the death under the date the death was announced until the exact date is confirmed by reliable sources. -- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 18:02, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Confirmed, that consensus as it stands here. Hard and fast death date equals the change. Ref ^(chew)(do) 06:01, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Nonetheless,when a Deaths in October 2019 article is created,she would not belong there.12.144.5.2 (talk) 14:42, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

But that's the month it was announced! There's no technical way of including someone in an archived month if the exact date of death in that month is not known. Diligent editors would monitor that situation and move from October to September as soon as the date was revealed in a reliable source. Ref ^(chew)(do) 15:18, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

But the lede of that article would claim it was deaths that happened in October,and that would be incorrect in her case.There ought to be an "exact date not known" category within month articles.12.144.5.2 (talk) 21:14, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

If an exact date of death cannot be ascertained, (death announced on this date), (body discovered on this date) or other such parenthetical notes will be retained, even if and when the article title changes. For instance, Shamnad Basheer, Paul Connerton, Jimmy Fleming, and Francesca Sundsten are all listed at Deaths in August 2019 with the applicable note. It's not a problem, merely consensus. Vycl1994 (talk) 22:58, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

In none of those cases was the person specifically known to have died in a month prior to the month of announcement/discovery.12.144.5.2 (talk) 23:38, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

The general point regarding consensus in these death listings stands. If you wish for an example that better fits the current situation, I offer Abdullah Maute, killed in an August 2017 airstrike, death confirmed by the Philippine military in September. There is also the alpinist Tom Ballard, whose last communication was 24 February 2019, but is listed in March 2019, when his body was found. Kristine Miller, an actress like Bracknell, died in "late 2015", and the article about her states this, but she remains listed in February 2016, when her passing was announced. Vycl1994 (talk) 01:12, 20 October 2019 (UTC) edited 01:21, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

IP - you are stating obvious problems with strict monthly listings when an exact date is not available. I have already mentioned technical problems in working out how to overcome that by month. How about you make a realistic suggestion or two as to how we work around the problem, instead of just parroting the same issue over and over? Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 05:50, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

I thought I already had...include as a standard part of any month article to which it applies (by virtue of there being such a case) an "exact date not clear" subsection along with all the numbered days.12.144.5.2 (talk) 01:05, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

I proposed that many years ago. Was not a favoured option. Rusted AutoParts 01:22, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Still not in favour. Ref ^(chew)(do) 06:04, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Fernando Ricksen

Mr. Ricksen died on September 18, 2019.[3]

His personal wikipedia page shows this date of death along with multiple sources as well.

Could someone please add Fernando Ricksen to the Deaths in 2019 page, as his stature in both football and in battling ALS warrant his inclusion to help ensure his life and passing are not overlooked. I am unsure how to make such an edit myself, but would appreciate someone's kind assistance. Thank you.70.167.58.50 (talk) 18:42, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

His entry already exists at Deaths in September 2019 - there is no generic Deaths in 2019 page as such, listing ALL deaths in the year, other than those featured in the current month (October), and each succeeding month on whichever date you visit Deaths in 2019. (So, Deaths in 2019 next month will only feature November, and October will be archived like September was.) Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 19:30, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Anne Phelan

Gnomewatch: Her death on 27 October was announced with her age at 75, per the SMH. However, other sources list her at 71, and, therefore, her article doesn't list her disputed age. Here, she is listed as "70s". Just something to keep track of in the days to come. — Wyliepedia @ 02:40, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

This source confirms that she was 71, and even Wikipedia is mentioned. It's taken from a 2017 interview with the late actress and her birth daughter, who was adopted out at birth, and whose "detective" work to find her birth mother, disproved the date she found on Wikipedia! It is worth reading. It seems likely from the evidence that Wikipedia was indirectly or directly responsible for perpetuating the myth that she was 75, however innocently. Editrite! (talk) 09:09, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Members of the public, including Wikipedia editors obviously, often believe that actors, particularly female ones, have a temptation to knock a number of months/years off their true age by introducing such a reinvention into the arena through various means (editing their own articles in disguise being one). It's sometimes true, too. So it's not really surprising that Wikipedia comes into the reckoning when years get ADDED in this instance. Ref ^(chew)(do) 13:03, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

I think we should leave hypotheticals to Geoffrey Robertson. Thanks. Editrite! (talk) 21:02, 30 October 2019 (UTC)