Talk:Dave Mason Is Alive

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Removal of unsourced material and material sourced only to self-published website (November 2016)[edit]

My reason for removing this material is the same as the reason I removed it while the draft was still at Articles for Creation. BillDeYoung.com is a self-published source. Before removing the material, I searched to see whether DeYoung might qualify as a recogized expert, but all I found was confirmation that he'd written a book about a bridge. Bob, can you point me to any evidence that shows BillDeYoung.com to be a reliable source for facts about music history, despite it being a self-published source? NewYorkActuary (talk) 19:39, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't understand that you objected to the source. I don't know his work personally, but I've seen more questionable sources than this on Wikipedia. The story is also told on Dave Mason's own web-site and in the liner notes for the compilation album The Ultimate Collection. Those notes are written by William Ruhlman of Allmusic. Since you seem to like him as a source, I'll use him.Bob Caldwell CSL (talk) 20:59, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Bob Caldwell CSL: Care to hear something funny? When reading the liner notes that you cited, I saw that they quoted from an article by ... Bill DeYoung! They were even nice enough to identify the name and date of the magazine in which it was published. So, I added the source back to the article. In case you want to use that source in other Mason articles, here's the formatted citation:

DeYoung, Bill (February 16, 1996). "We Just Disagree: The Story of Dave Mason". Goldmine.

As you can see, I also restructured the discussion so as to form a separate Background section. I made two changes. First, I replaced the word "stole" with the less loaded phrase "took possession of". I also removed the link to the web site that hosted the copies of the liner notes. Because it is almost certain that they are not licensed to publish those liner notes, I thought it inappropriate to link to them. The citation still appears here, but is referenced directly to the notes themselves. Let me know what you think. NewYorkActuary (talk) 19:43, 12 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That is ironic. I am glad we are finally able to get that information into the article as I think it is more interesting than the album itself (though I loved that album and wore out my copy of it). You did a very nice job of re-writing the paragraph. It reads very smoothly. Nice work. Thanks for all your help, even if I got a little frustrated while doing it. Bob Caldwell CSL (talk) 15:23, 14 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

More material from the Troubadour[edit]

Just a note, if anyone reads this article. I taped the Troubadour concert from the radio when it was broadcast by KMET-FM (Los Angeles). They were allowed to put out the afternoon matinee. The tape is long-worn-out, but I remember more than the 10 songs that were issues on this album and Headkeeper. Without access to that long-lost tape, I could not tell you which songs, but I'm almost positive that "To Be Free" from the as yet unreleased (unrecorded?) Headkeeper was early in the set. Did anyone else have a tape of that show?Bob Caldwell CSL (talk) 15:52, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]