Talk:Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Women's individual road race

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Article milestones
DateProcessResult
January 31, 2009Peer reviewReviewed
April 12, 2009Good article nomineeListed
May 9, 2009Featured article candidateNot promoted
July 14, 2009Featured article candidatePromoted
Current status: Featured article

Peer review anticipation reaction[edit]

I saw that this page was nominated for a peer review. I am not doing the peer review, but I changed some things to make the page look more like the Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's road race, which is a featured article, so I guess it's good.--EdgeNavidad (talk) 16:15, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just saw that the peer review has already been done. I tried to change the addressed issues. If somebody can also have a look at them, the article could improve more.--EdgeNavidad (talk) 11:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article looks awfully good. I think it should be submitted for GA. Though my contributions to this article were nothing compared to my contributions to the article on the men's race, I'm probably still too close to it to be a fair reviewer. If it's not listed by someone else soon, I think I might proactively list it myself. Don't fall asleep zzzzzz 02:01, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I can submit it later today. I did the FA push for Men's race so I have some experience :-) But I count on help of guys from the cycling Wikiproject for technical details. --Tone 07:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like I only had a small contribution so far in this article. I only did some finishing touches in the end, to solve the peer review issues and make it look like the men's race article. But I will be happy to help solve problems that may come up at a GA review. And I think that this article is ready for such a review! --EdgeNavidad (talk) 09:38, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Reading it again, I saw this:

The weather was unseasonably cool, but the roads were dry but cloudy at the start of the race.

I don't understand how a road can be cloudy. Who can improve this? (Or should we wait now until it shows up in the GA review?)--EdgeNavidad (talk) 12:55, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Probably, it should read: The weather was unseasonably cool. It was cloudy and the roads were dry at the start of the race. --Tone 13:11, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Good suggestion — I put it in.--EdgeNavidad (talk) 13:22, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Improvements in progress[edit]

I did some fixes but there's much work to do left. This is what I've noticed so far:

  • Qualifications section says that Mauritius got an invitation but didn't enter a rider. Why is then a competitor from this country on the result table? Or were there two?
The source that was next to this did not indicate that Mauritius didn't enter a rider, but that they were at first not allowed to enter a rider. In the final version, after China and Austria entered one cyclist less than they could have, Mauritius received an invitation place, and after that entered a rider. I reconstructed this from various data, but could not find a good source for it (a news item or whatever...)--EdgeNavidad (talk) 11:20, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved
 – EdgeNavidad (talk) 12:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Second paragraph of Race. The wording needs to be clearer what the sources of criticism were. Poor markings are clear. But, in case of Korean rider crashing, was the problem that there were no safety nets? But are they used in cyclist races?
I don't think the Korean was criticized for falling (falling is common enough, especially when it's raining cats and dogs), that's not the best wording of that paragraph. I changed that paragraph's topic sentence to say that there were incidents that caused riders to lose time, and emphasized at the end of the paragraph that the poor markings on Badaling were what caused the criticism. Don't fall asleep zzzzzz 02:36, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, it is clear that if you fall you lose time :-) But I still think that the text would read better if you mention the issues with bad marking first and mention the fall later. Was it the only fall in the race? Still it does not fit too well in the context... And we should mention that they continued the race after getting out of the ditch, as it seems (I don't remember those details but I haven't seen the whole race back then...). --Tone 19:08, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • A steady pace set by the German team in the bunch caught them soon after. Who caught whom? This sentence is weird.
  • One of the pre-race favourites who was not in the leading group, Marianne Vos (Netherlands), hesitated before leading the chase, together with other pre-race favourite Judith Arndt. This sentence is too long and needs rewording.
  • She claimed the gold medal in the with a clear margin. Is this ok? That in seems redundant.
  • Vos eventually led the bunch over the finish line 21 seconds back. This one is not clear either. Probably it should read that Vos led the next bunch that was 21 s behind.
  • It would be nice to expand the paragraph about Cooke's winning strategy a bit.

Those are the things that I prefer to be fixed by an expert. So much for now from my side. --Tone 11:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've also found a photo of silver medalist but there seem an unfinished deletion request for it on Commons. Maybe worth checking, this article would be better with some more photos of cyclists. --Tone 19:35, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
One more, it says that Sung Eun-Go, Hae Ok-Jeong and Thatsani Wichana qualified but do not appear in the final results. Why's that? --Tone 19:55, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The article was wrong: They did not qualify themselves, but qualified a place for their NOC's. And their NOC's later decided to send a different athlete. While finding this out, I found some mistakes in the qualification in the article; I fixed them, but I think the text of this section is now 'weird'...
Resolved
 – EdgeNavidad (talk) 12:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's nice that you looked at it so seriously. Shouldn't we stop the GA-review, first sort these things out, and then resubmit it again?--EdgeNavidad (talk) 08:52, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the article is a GA material already, the comments I left are just additional polishing. Besides, a GA review takes quite some time, based on my experiences, so the fixes can be done before the first reviewer comes across the article. (As mentioned, I did the fixes I felt competent for, the rest I would prefer to be fixed by someone with more expert knowledge.) --Tone 10:16, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's going to take a while before a GA reviewer gets to this. I'm doing some Giro work right now, and I've got some Tour de France tidying on my to-do list as well, but that can all wait (how high-traffic an article is 1991 Tour de France, honestly? :P ). I'll have a look at these points shortly. I must confess I didn't even watch this event when it first took place, so I'll be relying purely on sources. Don't fall asleep zzzzzz 04:25, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]


GA complete, next step: FA[edit]

Thank you for review, since this article now meets the criteria, I'll nominate it for a FA. Guys, I count on your help with the article during the nomination ;-) --Tone 16:11, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article has not been promoted to FA. Nobody opposed, so I think it's due to not enough reviewers visiting the article and supporting it. There were no comments left... --EdgeNavidad (talk) 06:44, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's a pity this got only one "support" (from me), because I truly believe this article was ready for promotion. Parutakupiu (talk) 22:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Curious. Well, I'll nominate it again after one month, hopefully everyone monitors it then. --Tone 13:44, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'll watch this page and weigh in when it comes up again. It looks like the nom just stalled out. A little more momentum next time should push it over the top. Keep up the good work! H1nkles (talk) 20:56, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We can start the procedure for FA again. Shall we? --EdgeNavidad (talk) 07:07, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I'll do it. Please, monitor the nomination in case I am away for a couple of days. And please, present a clear opinion on that page, the last nomination apparently failed because almost noone explicitly stated his opinion. --Tone 13:30, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FA?[edit]

This might be a featured article, but it doesn't get the gold medal yet, as far as I'm concerned!

The real heroes of the Olympic games are not necessarily the winners. The hero of these games was the only woman strong enough, courageous enough, and enough of a leader to take the front position and stay there, like the prow of a ship, breaking through the driving rain and the sheets of water on the road, for mile after mile after endless mile. No-one relieved her; no-one from her team, or any other team, came to her side. They simply followed in her wake, like fishing boats following an ice-breaker.

This one woman made possible that which anybody else might have achieved. Because of her courage and strength, the courage and strength of the pack behind her was maintained. Without her, the race would have disintegrated. How do I know? Because if there had been just one other woman there with her sort of courage, they would have ridden beside her.

You mention her name, but not what she did. You have neglected an incident almost as significant in the history of the Summer Olympics as Lutz Long's act of generosity to Jesse Owens.

Name the Olympic Hero and tell her story!

Amandajm (talk) 02:36, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This would fit well in the Race section. Do you have any sources that could help? --Tone 10:16, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Various minor issues[edit]

Things I'm surprised weren't picked up in the FA review.

  • 'China' is an example of overlinking, doubly so since even Beijing arguably doesn't need a link.
  • 'China' is actually piped to 'People's Republic of China', which is a redirect to China. All a bit pointless
  • There's a lack of consistency in the use of diacritics in the results table.
  • In citations, Cycling News and BBC Sport should be given as 'work' parameters, not 'publisher'. And Associated Press should be 'agency', not publisher. And there are several cases such as publisher=''[[The Australian]]'' where formatting has been added to make the result look right, instead of fixing the problem: that this should be a 'work' parameter, not a 'publisher'.
  • the external links for citations 25 and 26 are broken.

Also, various unnecessarily convoluted piped links:

Capitalization in title[edit]

This seems like more than a minor issue that was missed in the FA review: Why is "Women's" capitalized in the title? I'd make the change myself (or at least request the change), but not today, when it's the featured article, so soon after a successful FA review. I'll wait for any responses here first. Holy (talk) 17:44, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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