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I took it upon myself to try to save this article from deletion; even though I have been registered for a while, I am rather new to writing full articles. Please feel free to edit, or even better let me know, what could be done better with this, if it doesn't meet Wikipedia's standards. (As if that wasn't obvious already)

-User:Sappho'd (talk) 02:10, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Much cleaned up. Gwen Gale (talk) 12:12, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There should be a "in popular culture" section that references the song "dead eyes opened"[edit]

Most people at this webpage came here from the song, and as a result it is important to include — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmoostet (talk • contribs) 09:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't that classify as trivia?--Kieronoldham (talk) 22:19, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Came here trying to find the origin of the lyrics in The Dead Eyes Opened, I thought it was from a work of fiction. I was more curious than ever to find it's from a murder trial. Which begs the question; where are those passages from, and did Kaye's eyes open, terrifying Mahon and sending him scuttling into the night? 124.190.192.20 (talk) 11:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they did. And at the precise moment of a sound of thunder (or a storm/inclement weather). Mahon panicked at that moment, and the same/similar sound at his trial (I think as he was recollecting the incident on the stand) brought it back to him. It is mentioned in the book Murders of the Black Museum: 1870-1970.--Kieronoldham (talk) 12:14, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Re: The first of the Crumbles murders, that of Irene Munro, section headed "Murder": could you please tell me what sources you have for the re-creation of Munro's murder given in the first paragraph of that section? There are no citations (20 refers to the stick and I can't find anything relevant for 21). The prosecution in the trial stated that "nothing could be said as to how the murder happened" (The Trial of Field & Gray, pp. 35 & 72) as did the book's editor, Winifred Duke, (p.61). Is this then new material which has come to light after the first publication of the Trial? BBJlover (talk) 15:21, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, BBJlover. Sections of the account were written by A. W. Moss and are included in the True Detective summer 1995 issue. Segments are corroborated in contemporary newspaper accounts.--Kieronoldham (talk) 00:36, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See into a locked bag?[edit]

“ the Gladstone bag which, although locked, was observed to contain a large knife and bloodstained cloth”

How? The Gladstone is solid. It does not have a view window. 2601:647:6680:4450:ED33:F97:DAF4:7185 (talk) 02:13, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Easy - prise the sides apart. Ref. states "Easing the sides apart, he was able to see what appeared to be bloodstained female underwear and a knife."--Kieronoldham (talk) 21:05, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]