Talk:Copycat (Billie Eilish song)

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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Copycat (Billie Eilish song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: LOVI33 (talk · contribs) 00:31, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey DarklyShadows, I'll start my review now. LOVI 33 00:31, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Infobox and lead[edit]

Cover art needs alt text
Remove wikilink to Billie Eilish under songwriters WP:OVERLINK
- You haven't addressed this
NEW: the a in 'audio' needs to capitalized
MOS:CAPS under audio video
Wikilink EP to extended play
"Don't Smile at Me" → "Don't Smile at Me (2017)"
"Eilish and her brother Finneas O'Connell co-wrote "Copycat"" → "Eilish and her brother, Finneas O'Connell, co-wrote the song"
"with the latter producing it solely" → "with the later solely handling the production"
"Musically an electropop and electronic track, with hip hop-influenced instrumentation" → "Musically an electropop and electronic track with a hip hop-influenced instrumentation"
wikilink Billboard to Billboard (magazine)
"Commercially, the song" → "Commercially, "Copycat""
"The song has been awarded several certifications" → "It has also received several certifications"
"The Sofi Tukker remix was officially released on January 12, 2018" → "A Sofi Tukker remix was released on January 12, 2018"

Done

Background and composition[edit]

Release date here doesn't match release date in infobox
Giving a release source to the EP on iTunes isn't really a good source unless it is archived. Replace with this.
- You haven't done this.
"by the singer and her brother Finneas O'Connell, the latter of which solely produced it" → "by the singer Finneas O'Connell, her brother and the track's sole producer"
"the studio personnel John Greenham and Rob Kinelski" → "the studio personnel, John Greenham, and Rob Kinelski"
"A remix by Sofi Tukker was officially released on January 12, 2018" → "A remix by Sofi Tukker was released on January 12, 2018"
Wikilink Genius to Genius (website)
- You haven't adressed this.

user:LOVI33 I now put a wikilink to it.

""Copycat" is moderately fast at 64 beats per minute (BPM)" → "It has a moderate tempo of 64 beats per minute", with target, moderate per source
"a minimalist production consisting of bass guitar and piano" → "a minimalist production consisting of a bass guitar and piano"
"Eilish states that" → "Eilish stated that"
"Matt Rucker of Ones to Watch's has compared Eilish's vocal's in the song to Lorde" → "Matt Rucker of Ones to Watch compared Eilish's vocals in the song to that of Lorde"

Done

Reception[edit]

"Niall Byrne ofThe Irish Times described" → "Niall Byrne of The Irish Times described"
"did not enter the Billboard Hot 100, it peaked at number 12 on the" → "did not enter the Billboard Hot 100, however, it peaked at number 12 on the"
Last sentence is too similar to that of the intro, maybe remove the "most notably" and comment on it's other certifications

Done

Live performances[edit]

Move citations 21 and 22 to end of sentence
Move citation 24 to end of sentence
- You haven't addressed these.

Done

Personnel[edit]

"Credits adapted from the album's liner notes" → "Credits adapted from the liner notes of Don't Smile at Me", with target

Done

Charts[edit]

MOS:TABLECAPTION. maybe, Chart performance for "Copycat"
- MOS:TABLECAPTION is a caption on the table, not the subtitle

Done

Certifications[edit]

Again, MOS:TABLECAPTION. Maybe, "Certifications for "Copycat""
- MOS:TABLECAPTION is a caption on the table, not the subtitle.

Done

References[edit]

Make sure that all of these archived by using the tool
Copyvio score looks good at 21.3%
ref 3, change Spotify to publisher and wikilink
- NEW: remove Spotify from title so it's just "COPYCAT (Sofi Tukker Remix) by Billie Eilish"
ref 4, wikilink Genius to Genius (website) and MOS:QWQ issues
NEW: ref 5, wikilink Billboard
ref 6, MOS:QWQ issues
ref 7, remove wikilink to Billboard
- Still haven't addressed this.
ref 8, MOS:QWQ issues
ref 10, MOS:QWQ issues
ref 24, MOS:QWQ issues
ref 25, MOS:QWQ issues

Done

Final comments and verdict[edit]

On hold for now, once issues are addressed. Great Job by the way, nice to review one of your articles. LOVI 33 02:20, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

LOVI33 All of the issues should be fixed! Let me know if anything else needs to be fixed. DarklyShadows (talk) 03:13, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey DarklyShadows, it has just come to my attention by MarioSoulTruthFan that Medium is an unreliable source so you should remove it. Also, Ones to Watch is under discussion as a reliable source so keep posted, you might have to remove that in the future as well. LOVI 33 12:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

- DarklyShadows, you say you've addressed all my comments but you haven't. I have added a few new ones above and commented on the ones you haven't addressed. If you do not think those edits will be good for the article, please respond why you are not doing them. Thanks. LOVI 33 12:42, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Okay DarklyShadows, it looks like you've addressed all my comments for real this time. ✓ Pass LOVI 33 13:18, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

Medium has been demed as an unrelibale source and therefore must be removed. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Sources#Unreliable_sources
Ones to Watch is under a discussion regaring its reability, see here. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:44, 25 June 2020 (UTC

user:LOVI33 I have removed both the sources. DarklyShadows (talk) 12:32, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

user:LOVI33: I have removed ones to watch and medium and fixed the other issues.

Requested move 2 July 2020[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Consensus to not move. (non-admin closure) — YoungForever^(talk) 22:58, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Copycat (Billie Eilish song) → Copycat (song) – Other songs had little-to-no notability before the Billie Eilish song came out. DarklyShadows (talk) 22:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose (strongly) – some of those other song have their own pages as well, so a page title of "Copycat (song)" would be WP:INCOMPLETEDISAMBIGUATION. We don't do WP:PARTIALDISAMBIGUATION in article titles. Even if the Billie Eilish song is the most notable of the songs with the name "Copycat", it would stay at "Copycat (Billie Eilish song)" unless it somehow became the universal primary topic for the term "Copycat" (which it isn't). Paintspot Infez (talk) 01:03, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Agree with Paintspot. There are other songs with this title that have articles. There is no primary topic when it comes to disambiguated titles. You can only argue that this is primary to move to "Copycat". Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 03:32, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Paintspot Infez and Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 03:50, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:PRIMARYUSAGE. Overwhelming pageviews for this song, and a recent RfC confirmed these types of titles can still be primary topics for the disambiguated term. Station1 (talk) 04:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It should only be in extraordinary circumstances. This song is far from reaching Thriller (album) status. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 05:58, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's a matter of opinion, of course, but with 96% of pageviews, I think it does reach that status. Like Thriller, it even gets more views than the article at the basic title Copycat. - Station1 (talk) 06:18, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Station1, you have consistently agitated against title policy for several years. At some point it becomes disruptive. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just for the record, I favor current title policy. - Station1 (talk) 20:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose and speedy close "Copycat" (The Cranberries song) and "Copycat" (Patrick Ouchène song) have articles. @DarklyShadows: please read Wikipedia WP:TITLE. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:INCDAB. Narky Blert (talk) 13:08, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Compare Hurricane (song). The Dylan song is better known than the others (and indeed better known than some of the other recording artists), but it isn't WP:PTOPIC. Narky Blert (talk) 13:15, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Dylan song was at Hurricane (song) until an unnecessary and undiscussed move back in 2013. It should be the primary topic. And that's despite 17 other songs with WP articles (as opposed to only 2 in this case) and it getting around 70% of the pageviews (as opposed to 96% in this case). Station1 (talk) 18:28, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.