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2004 comment

You may want to consider upgrading this article to conform to Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools. Davodd 07:55, Feb 24, 2004 (UTC)

Alumni

I took Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold out of the alumni section because they are not alumni since they did not graduate. Plus they are already noted in the article thus making them noted. No need to note them again. --Ganley894 05:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, alumni does not mean "graduates," it means someone who has attended the school at any time, in addition to the school's graduates.[1] I agree that given that they are mentioned in the article it probably isn't totally necessary to list them as alumni, but it isn't a reason to cut them out of the list, either. Just some things to keep in mind. --ScreaminEagle 22:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I disagree, take a look at the Sigma Chi page, where Greg Harbaugh is listed in the text as well as on the page dedicated to "Notable Sigs." NOT listing the two most famous alumni, simply because they're mentioned in another part of the article, makes little sense. These two are the most famous alumni of the school, all be it for tragic reasons, but nevertheless, they are notable alumni. 74.132.172.179 06:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
If we're going to look at the definition of "alumni," we can look at Wikipedia's own definition of alumnus. It would be best to change "alumnus" if Harris and Klebold are to remain as alumni here. Also, the dictionary definition ScreaminEagle cites above doesn't say someone who was in the school at any time; as I read it, definition 2 doesn't apply to schools. Definition 1 does, and it requires graduation to be an alumnus.
Then you didn't read the definition thoroughly. "1. a graduate or former student of a specific school, college, or university." --ScreaminEagle 15:48, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I think that if Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold are going to be in the notable alumni section then the victims of the shooting should also be in the area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ToastedPBJ (talk • contribs) 17:42, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

A case could be made for that, particularly if the students have their own Wikipedia page for additional reasons beyond just being victims. But just because not everyone obviously agrees that every victim should be listed (being that their only claim to fame is they were murdered; surely not every murder victim in America deserves their own WP page) doesn't automatically mean that Klebold and Harris should NOT be listed as notable. Just because they weren't upstanding members of society and chose to slaughter their classmates doesn't mean they aren't notable. They made national news and are still spoken of today. They are notable people, albeit very infamous notable people. It doesn't matter how many times kids come on here and delete their names, they're going to be readded for that very reason. --ScreaminEagle (talk) 21:13, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

I have removed Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold in the notable alumni section. Notable alumni sections are typically reserved for lists of people that are incidental to the topic of the institution itself and don't otherwise warrant mention in the article. Since they (and the victims for that matter) are listed prominently elsewhere, it's redundant (and somewhat odd) to list them there. Perhaps a middle ground option might be to have a simple disclaimer at the top of the section that directs readers who are looking for the names of students involved in the massacre to the Columbine massacre page. --R5452 (talk) 01:59, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Miserable article

This high school is not noteworthy.

I deleted this paragraph:

Ironically, in scientific taxonomy, the order Columbiformes includes the 308 species of doves, hence the adjective columbine refers to something being dove-like.

It implies the English word "columbine" was derived from "Columbiformes". Boy, this word was from Latin (columbinus). I think this whole article should be deleted. -- Toytoy 07:06, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)

Does "Columbine High School massacre" ring a bell? -- Kazmin (non-user) 5:36 PM, Apr 30, 2005

Yo! Toytoy, your opinion says a lot more about you than it does about the article. In fact, I think I like the article all the more because you hate it. --Aufidius 21:30, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Tupac Song "The Good Die Young"

Does anyone realize that the mention of the song by Tupac Shakur that supposedly mentions the victims of the shootings is anachronistic?? Tupac died in 1996, almost three years before the Columbine shootings. What gives here?Thomasiscool 16:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Beats me, try asking on the Tupac article, they tend to be the ones to answer Tupac related questions. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 16:28, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that too.... maybe it should be deleted?
NVM... I think he means the Outlawz track dedicated to Tupac... im not sure though. Maybe someone can confirm this?

in the cultural References it says a tupuc song was dedicated to the vitums of colombine however tupuc was assasinated in 97, 2 years before the columbine massacure happened —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.64.111.150 (talk • contribs)

You're quite right. How could Tupac have written a song in memory of the Columbine victims if he had been murdered three years before it occurred? — † Webdinger BLAH | SZ 07:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I corrected this. Tupac does not say this on the Good Die Young, it is a member of the Outlawz. Tupac wasn't a psyhic. Someone was just trying to make it seem more reasonable that Pac was alive, which this IS NOT the place to do so. Hysteria2424 13:22 08 December 2006 (UTC)


How could there be releases of songs of his after his death? Oh my god...people record things before they die! Sure...he's not a psychic, but its COMPLETELY obvious what happened here. His production company decided to remix a song of his and add some bits by other people, one of whom referenced the columbine incident. The song is STILL attributed to Tupac, therefore his song DOES reference Columbine....it's just not him (obviously) saying it. Why is that so hard to understand? It's not a conspiracy for people to say he's still alive....trust me, i've seen the autopsy pictures...dudes deader than a doornail. Batman2005 03:08, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Changed first line

I believe what I edited it to is correct. "Most noted for" is a lot better than "was the scene of", in my humble opinion.N734LQ 08:20, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

South Park references

Under the Cultural References heading, shouldn't we include the many references (both direct and indirect) made in the series to Columbine, the city, and the shooting? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.165.87.40 (talk • contribs)

If you can find a good source for them (such as a south park episode or program guide that contains a mention to these cultural references), then yes -- PRueda29 / Ptalk29 / Pcontribs29 22:49, 16 January 2006 (UTC) South Park references? Many complain about how south park has never really done anything about columbine. Ijustwantaaccount (talk) 23:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Bomb scare

As reported by Sky News just now. - Lee Stanley 18:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I added some citations about the bomb threat, but it is not as good as it could be. I'm not sure if this particular bomb threat is particularly notable in terms of the history of the school. - Mishalak (talk) 00:51, 10 December 2007 (UTC) Except the autopsy pics were never released to the public... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.67.216 (talk) 07:37, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Really?

Extremely ballsy to have the idiots behind the Columbine High School massacre as notable ALUMNI under the high school's wikipedia page. It's unable to be edited, which is ridiculous. They should be taken off that list immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.116.240.8 (talk) 10:14, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey guys, I wanted to add that matt stone of south park went to columbine, according to bowling for columbine, lemme know if you have any input on my talk page

Thanks Monsterpose43 (talk) 19:29, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

South Park creators did not go to Columbine

Since I've deleted this four times now, I figured I should lay out the evidence in a clear manner so that (hopefully) it won't get inserted a fifth time.

I thought in Bowling for Columbine Matt Stone stated he went to Columbine? Or did I hear him wrong? -- (non-user)
Yes, you heard wrong. Also, please considering registering an account with Wikipedia; it's free! Bahn Mi 00:50, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
The Matt Stone interview is misleading, but he didn't go to Columbine. He went to Heritage High School which is a cross-town rival that competes with Columbine in Sports. -- PRueda29
Matt and Trey did an interview with Charlie Rose in which he said that he did not go to Columbine. It can be accessed on Google Video or on YouTube.Ekulwyo (talk) 03:35, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Either the interview is super misleading, or there is some part of that is going completely over my head, I just watched the Bowling for Columbine interview and it looks like one of them is actually talking about what it was like to go Columbine. EDIT: I just watched it again, and now I'm so certain Matt is talking about being a Columbine student that if he were to visit my home and correct me that I was wrong, I would still argue with him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.43.202.180 (talk) 17:24, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 June 2012

Alumni

  • Ian Howfield played six years in the National Football League as a placekicker: Miami Dolphins in 1987, Seattle Seahawks fron 1988-1989 (signed to the practice squad for both years), Denver Broncos in 1990, Houston Oilers in 1990-1991. Led the Houston Oilers in scoring in 1991, Philadelphia Eagles in 1992, Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 1993.

CinMart (talk) 15:29, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mdann52 (talk) 16:10, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 June 2012

Alumni

  • Big Head Todd & the Monsters is a rock band formed in 1986, with Todd Park Mohr on guitar and vocals, Brian Nevin on drums and vocals and Rob Squires on bass and vocals. The trio attended Columbine High School together.

CinMart (talk) 15:35, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mdann52 (talk) 16:11, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 July 2012

Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold are not alumni of the school, per the definition of "alumni."

108.5.79.214 (talk) 16:52, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Alumni is any former student. Explain why Harris and Kiebold don't fit that description? RudolfRed (talk) 03:16, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 July 2014

Hi, On The Columbine High School Page The Page Lists Mr. Frank DeAngelis As Principal, Mr. DeAngelis Retired From Columbine High School In May, 2014. The New Principal Of Columbine High School Is, Mr. KC Somers. Also Under Alumni It Lists Eric Harris And Dylan Kebold As Alumni, Along With Rachel Scott And Other People Killed In The Massacre, Alumni Means Those People Graduated, Since They Were Killed And The Two Killers Committed Suicide Then They Are Not Alumni, Thanks. 76.17.1.18 (talk) 00:56, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —cyberpower ChatOnline 09:00, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 December 2012

May want to edit the line of text that states that it is the deadliest school shooting in the nation's history, to the fact that it was until the more recent Sandy Hook Elementry Incident which had more fatalities victim wise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.133.63.177 (talk) 23:42, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

☒N Stale – S. Rich (talk) 17:53, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 July 2014

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/new-principal-chosen-for-columbine-high-school-kc-somers-to-succeed-retiring-frank-deangelis02262014 Here Is The Source About Mr. DeAngelis Retiring. BTW, KC Somers Is Dr. KC Somers. 76.17.1.18 (talk) 19:26, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

 Done – – S. Rich (talk) 18:03, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2014

Footnote 3 refers to a self-published book. It should instead refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States 128.237.189.39 (talk) 13:38, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Partly done: Wikipedia is actually not a WP:RS, and we never cite to other Wikipedia articles. However, I do agree with the book currently cited being self published and have replaced it with a Encyclopedia Britannica article. While this doesn't explicitly say it's the "deadliest high school shooting", I feel comfortable leaving that in given that list article you linked Cannolis (talk) 15:03, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2016

Alumni Karen (Lindbergh)Kopf, Class of 1986, rowed varsity at George Washington University. In 2015 she was a bronze medalist at the CRASH-b's, World Indoor Rowing Championships [6] 64.126.140.64 (talk) 15:59, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

 Not done Thanks for the reference! When you refer to indoor rowing, I believe you're referring to CRASH-B Sprints? If that's the case, note how many winners don't even have links, and how second and third place winners are not mentioned. The addition may fail WP:GNG at the moment, sorry — Andy W. (talk · contrib) 01:45, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 7 October 2017

Change where it says "principal" from Dr. KC Somers to Mr. Scott Christy, as the principal was changed a few weeks ago and Dr. Somers now works in a different school district. Hokaijokailakamonza (talk) 00:43, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Done SparklingPessimist Scream at me! 01:50, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

New Columbine website

They have a new website according to their twitter. http://chsrebels.com I can't edit the article sadly, so if someone could add their website that'd be good. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kayelar (talk • contribs) 04:50, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2018

Please remove the Columbine attackers from the "Notable students" part. Absolutely disgraceful. 118.101.183.34 (talk) 05:05, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: Notability on Wikipedia is defined as having "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". What they are notable for (good or bad) doesn't enter into that. Without a clear consensus to remove the entries from the article, they stay there. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 21:50, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

place change

Please change Columbine, Colorado to Littleton, Colorado. Thanks! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 02:09, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Ben ❯❯❯ Talk 05:12, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Here is a source which looks reliable to me. Thanks! https://columbinehs.jeffcopublicschools.org/ 73.167.238.120 (talk) 05:44, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

A mailing address located in a given post office district does not determine the physical location of a structure. Here in the Columbus, Ohio, metro area, many structures physically located within the corporate boundaries of Columbus have a Westerville mailing address because they are served by a post office located in that suburb. Mail sent using either city name and the correct ZIP code is properly delivered. We rely on what reliable sources say, and the sources say that the high school is located within Columbine, CO. General Ization Talk 22:05, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
Further, this map of the Littleton, CO city limits provided by the Littleton local government shows that the site of the high school is significantly outside the limits of Littleton (to the west, just southeast of Robert F. Clement Park). General Ization Talk 23:57, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Notable section

There are only two victims of the Columbine High School massacre listed in the Notable students section. The other victims should also be listed. Why are two victims and the perpetrators notable and the rest of the victims not notable? I would not say the perpetrators are notable, remarkable, outstanding, respected, or whatever synonym someone wants to use. Thank you! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 04:40, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. They are not notable because they lack the WP:NOTABILITY to have their own Wikipedia article. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:46, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
I am unsure how to request this change, so I am adding my thoughts. I do not think having a Wikipedia article is the only way to be notable. There is information available for the other victims to have their own articles. It is a shame the remaining victims get the short end of the stick. 73.167.238.120 (talk) 18:14, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Please do not reopen requests when they are under discussion. That is visible in the template itself. Remember to change the answered no parameter to "yes" when the request has been accepted, rejected or on hold awaiting user input. This is so that inactive or completed requests don't needlessly fill up the edit requests category. As far as notability, that is how we determine what is included in notable people sections of articles and inclusion in most list articles. If there was enough information on the others to prove notability they could be added to the section with a link to their article. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:24, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi! I thought I had to reopen an edit request to get a response to my thoughts. Thank you for the clarification! Is there not enough information about the other victims to make them notable or is the information inaccurate? 73.167.238.120 (talk) 18:43, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
I don't know if there's enough information on the other victims, but they would need significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources to establish that they are notable. WP:NOTMEMORIAL may also be a handy read for you, as well as WP:NOTABLITY, which I linked above.
If you look at the articles about the victims you'll see there is something aside from just being a victim that made them notable enough for an article. Two of them are notable because of the martyrdom narrative, and one as a survivor that became a motivational speaker. Just having been murdered in the massacre is not enough to make someone notable enough for inclusion. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:52, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2021

Should Eric and Dylan really be listed as 'Notable Alumni? They should be removed. b 76.216.16.86 (talk) 15:36, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. - FlightTime (open channel) 15:39, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Columbine victims

I am wondering if someone can tell me what needs to be known about the other Columbine victims so they can be added as notable students? Notable students should include the additional victims. Thank you! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 15:33, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2021

Remove the names of Harris and Klebold from "Notable students/alumni". They do not deserve to be recognised as such. 2409:4043:48B:E0DE:0:0:606:F0B1 (talk) 01:47, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. General Ization Talk 02:16, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect School Location

Columbine High School is in Littleton, CO. Not Columbine. 71.211.232.237 (talk) 01:59, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

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